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in reply to Neil E. Hodges

Fun times! Mine only cost me $3800! (which was what I ended up spending on buying a used 2 port Agilent VNA after realizing how useful they would be for my research by using the NanoVNA. 😃)
in reply to Neil E. Hodges

I bought one of those in 2020. The new ones have several improvements and cost less. Mine works OK.


I should look into building my own choke baluns. Thank goodness there are kits easily available to teach me the basics! :D

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Continuing from here

I put up a dipole this time, and while I did receive marginally more stuff than before (only in the 2m and 70cm bands), there was also a lot of noise. The length of each leg of the dipole was calculated like this, with the velocity factors estimated for the copper wire and insulation.

(299792458 / 52_000_000 * 0.95 * 0.95) / 4

I did get the copper pipe for making a sleeve balun. Would that further improve things? :3c

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Well, I tried building my own ¼-wavelength monopole with the metal railing and everything it's attached to as the ground plane, but it didn't work very well. :(

I'm targeting 6-meter with this, but I thought it'd make sense to use the middle of the band (52 MHz) as the target, so I did (C / 5200000000) / 4 to get the length of 1.44 meters.

What did I do wrong? :( #HamRadio #AmateurRadio


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in reply to Neil E. Hodges

Just bought a bunch of SO-239 stuff for making more antennas. 👍

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Well, I tried building my own ¼-wavelength monopole with the metal railing and everything it's attached to as the ground plane, but it didn't work very well. :(

I'm targeting 6-meter with this, but I thought it'd make sense to use the middle of the band (52 MHz) as the target, so I did (C / 5200000000) / 4 to get the length of 1.44 meters.

What did I do wrong? :( #HamRadio #AmateurRadio

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in reply to Comrade Weez

@weezmgk
@tk

Also the floor above is another effective ground-plane which will very much mess things up.

The lack of sight-lines won't help much.

Is there enough room to try a horizontal dipole between the railing and the floor above?

in reply to zl2tod

I did try a G5rv shortened to the appropriate length for the shorter bands, but didn't have much luck.

Would something as simple as this be good?

in reply to Neil E. Hodges

You should be able to make a centre-fed dipole work for 6m. If you get the lengths right, it'll be resonant. Better if you use a balun. @zl2tod
in reply to Neil E. Hodges

Well worth a go.

Don't go overboard on the insulators, nylon fishing line is fine for either end, and any old lump of plastic in the middle.

Solder the connections.

A sleeve balun may help get a better match for transmit. (1/4 wavelength * 0.66 velocity factor of braid along the antenna end of the coax, connected to the coax shield that distance from the antenna)

@weezmgk

in reply to zl2tod

@zl2tod I think I'd use something a bit more substantial than fishing line. Shock cord for lightweight (10m, 6m) dipoles and feedlines or 10mm stranded nylon rope for bigger antennas. @tk
in reply to Comrade Weez

@weezmgk

Nylon monofilament fishing line comes in huge sizes if you want.

The problem with stranded ropes is that they hold water and stop working as insulators.

@tk

in reply to zl2tod

@zl2tod If you have an insulator on the end of the dipole elements it doesn't matter what kind of rope you use. Could use more wire if you want. @tk
in reply to zl2tod

Going to mount this guy up later today. 👍


Still not having much luck here. I shortened the dipole to try to cover the 2m band and did get more stuff coming in, but it was all noise. :(

I can't realistically make the ladder line fully vertical due to space constraints. Maybe I just need to build a monopole instead? The balcony railing might make a good ground plane.

Or do folks think an external antenna tuner would be worthwhile here?

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in reply to Neil E. Hodges

Weak signal VHF is fun.
Normally people don't need tuners on VHF, antennas are small enough and mono-band that you can just get it dialed in. More noise probably indicates the antenna is matched for the frequency.
I have a feeling you'd have better luck if you could get the antenna above the roof. I live in a condo, so all my VHF is done from SOTA peaks.
in reply to hambitious

Yeah, the roof is definitely on my radar for later on. Need a portable transceiver first. 👍
in reply to Neil E. Hodges

what got me interested with this post is the fact it looks like your using ladder line to go from the radio to antenna. I have not known anyone to do this, have you tried with a short length of RG58 (~5m) as this is fine for 2m VHF and easy to build a 1:1 balun & choke as well if needed, but you need minimum of a 1:1 balun at the antenna end, and that easy to make out the coax.


Currently using the scan function of my transceiver to scope out what I can get after redoing my antenna. :3 #AmateurRadio #HamRadio



Mounted a G5rv antenna around 15cm below the stucco ceiling on my balcony, but wasn't really able to receive anything, even on the shorter bands. (It's about 3.5 meters end to end when mounted, the dipole is horizontal, and the feed line is vertical.) :(

Probably will try a couple of tripods to bring it down a bit since I'm guessing the stucco (which typically is put on a metal mesh) is causing issues.

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in reply to Neil E. Hodges

oh yeah I'd absolutely try that. Hell, I'd try just stacking it up off the ground with a [eta: WOODEN, not metal] laundry rack or something. Or hanging from above with fibre cording [eta: not wire]. Cheaper experiment, works just as well for a test.
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in reply to Solarbird :flag_cascadia:

I did it like this, over a meter below the stucco ceiling. (The twine contains no metal.) I saw a random beacon signal and a couple of data signals in the 70cm band that I couldn't do anything with. :( #HamRadio #AmateurRadio