I'm not so sure Ian would have been to thrilled to see what's happened to his Debian. It may not be a coincidence that he committed suicide the same year SystemD came into use. ;)
I have not been able to find anything Ian Murdock said about systemd. If you have some information on that and can post a link I would be happy to read it.
SystemD is a bad solution for a problem that didn't exist. SysVinit has been working for decades. I STILL use it in Slackware with absolutely NO troubles at all. It's ass KISS (UNIX principle), which SystemD is definitely NOT.
Nothing against Poettering (SystemD dev), he's a sharp fellow. However, I can't stand his damned Pulse Audio, either. ;)
i think i remember that the aim of systemD in the beggining was - to permit parallel launch of daemons managing dependencies. - AND the abilitty to have on "simple" script over all distributions
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it's not a question of free software or not. (we often use closed firmwares) It is a question of a BIG BIG part that will be harder and harder to avoid because it phagocyte more and more of the system. thus you'll have more and more work to maintain the software swallowed by systemd and abandoned by the "maintainers".
SO as IBM decide now (and IBM is not a friend), if in the next version of systemd, it swallows /home. how long major distribution could resist before let /home swallowed ? and cron ? debus is already swallowed (dep: libsystemd0)
in debian there is still text logs. but how long ? you'll be force to use journald ? what proof that journald shows ALL the binary logs you request ? what will happen IF some functions are not maintained anymore ?
who really wants that IBM decide what linux should be ? red hat was free software... i do not think it is any more.
of course it could be fork... i think it is to big to be forked.
It seems that many people on both sides have simply made up their minds on systemd and can't be moved. I remember similar dissension over PulseAudio when it first appeared. I'm kind of old school when it comes to softwares like these. If it ain't broke, it don't need fixin'. I can certainly agree with efforts to improve software, but "re-inventing the wheel" doesn't sit well with me. But that's just me, and I still have options for avoiding big, hungry software that doesn't seem to improve performance at all, but intrudes into other software.
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Be that as it may, I have a strong suspicion that Murdock would NOT have liked SystemD, but that's just my opinion.
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systemD give power to ibm over linux
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in reply to Neil E. Hodges • • •SystemD is a bad solution for a problem that didn't exist. SysVinit has been working for decades. I STILL use it in Slackware with absolutely NO troubles at all. It's ass KISS (UNIX principle), which SystemD is definitely NOT.
Nothing against Poettering (SystemD dev), he's a sharp fellow. However, I can't stand his damned Pulse Audio, either. ;)
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i think i remember that the aim of systemD in the beggining was
- to permit parallel launch of daemons managing dependencies.
- AND the abilitty to have on "simple" script over all distributions
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"I know it's free software, so ethically speaking, it's not an issue – it's just a convenience question." - Richard Stallman (2015)
It should be noted that Stallman uses Trisquel which has used systemd since 2014.
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assKISS (UNIX principle)..."I'm not at all sure where that "ass" came from above. It must have been some sort of Freudian slip. ;)
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it's not a question of free software or not. (we often use closed firmwares) It is a question of a BIG BIG part that will be harder and harder to avoid because it phagocyte more and more of the system. thus you'll have more and more work to maintain the software swallowed by systemd and abandoned by the "maintainers".
SO as IBM decide now (and IBM is not a friend), if in the next version of systemd, it swallows /home. how long major distribution could resist before let /home swallowed ? and cron ? debus is already swallowed (dep: libsystemd0)
in debian there is still text logs. but how long ? you'll be force to use journald ? what proof that journald shows ALL the binary logs you request ? what will happen IF some functions are not maintained anymore ?
who really wants that IBM decide what linux should be ? red hat was free software... i do not think it is any more.
of course it could be fork... i think it is to big to be forked.
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