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As age-verification bullshit becomes more common, I am determined to simply not participate in any service or video game that requires it. The day I see the prompt, is the day I leave.

Maybe the government’s hope is that I stop participating in society, but I assure you that I will not. I’ll find or build alternatives, and refuse to comply with bad law.

I hope you will, too.

And as a silver lining, maybe the weird internet we end up creating as a result will suck less than the current one.

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in reply to EVHaste

It may be inadvisable to put this in writing, but I’m serious about this: if I am ever required to put up an age-gate, I intend to defy that law.

You’re going to have to break into my house and physically remove the server, when it comes down to it.

And it’s not that I doubt they can. I don’t have the same kind of resources that the state does. It’s more that I intend to make them do so publicly, in the sunlight.

I solemnly swear to be the biggest pain in the ass for fascists possible.

in reply to EVHaste

At this point, I believe there’s more value in being loud and public about resistance.

The legal system already does not function, specifically for me. I have no reason to believe that the Constitution will protect me, or that plausible deniability will keep me out of jail. At this point, if the fash wants to put me there, they will reverse engineer a reason to do so, or even do so illegally.

But if others see me making noise, they might decide to push back, too. Corporations certainly aren’t!

in reply to EVHaste

All I know is that the internet is absolutely the most important thing humanity has ever created, and is maybe the only tool that we have today which is capable of equalizing the insane wealth, information, and power inequalities in my country.

Our ability to communicate freely, to exchange ideas, and to organize terrifies all of the right people. Good. It should.

I will not participate in destroying my own home— and yes, I do consider the Internet my home. I’m corny like that.

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in reply to EVHaste

I understand that my own corner of the internet is not particularly important, but I only have to be one brick in the wall.

And I can even become a *couple* of bricks by extending those principles to the other sites and tools that I use, and refusing to participate in ones that cave to pressure to erode our civil rights.

No one will notice that I’m not using Floop or Glorm or whatever. It’s true that I won’t cause the owners to change their behavior. But neither will I help them build power.

in reply to EVHaste

So yeah, bottom line: I will not tolerate this identity verification bullshit on any platform.

I will not allow my absence from said platforms to dictate my ability to participate in public life.

And I will build spaces that respect and empower my neighbors.

It’s going to be inconvenient, but it’s also punk as hell, and the right thing to do.

Finally, to the authoritarian pricks trying to destroy my home, online and off; fuck you, I hope you choke.

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in reply to EVHaste

Yeah, I really want to do this. I want to help work on something that developers and administrators could turn into a small business helping people maintain--sort of like a small plumbing business.

A grass roots hing with an agreed set of patterns or something so that we can all train each others' users and they can easily interoperate with each other.

I'd want to be defense oriented. We're all under attack trying to defend ourselves and each other.

I'm lost in it though. Too big.

in reply to derptron

@crazyeddie it does feel really big. I’d say just pick one small thing that you really care about, and know how it works. Focus on that and trust that the next thing will be someone else’s project.

You only have to be one brick in the wall!

in reply to EVHaste

I just love every word of this.

Never comply.
Never give up.
Never give an inch until they stick a gun in my face.

@Haste

in reply to EVHaste

When you do build alternatives, please name them Floop and Glorm. I'll sign up immediately.
in reply to mpark

@mpark I feel like Floop would be a website where you share pictures of fruit with faces drawn on them.
in reply to EVHaste

When what it actually is is an ai-free site for peer reviewing research.
in reply to mpark

@mpark oh wow, there really IS a site called Floop 🤣 I genuinely thought it was too absurd a sound to have been used
in reply to EVHaste

That is hilarious. And Glorm is apparently a character in a children's book.
in reply to EVHaste

Well, I'm so ancient that my website lacks all those technologies because they didn't exist back then.
in reply to EVHaste

its scary how quickly this is spreading. Humanity's greatest achievement and just like everything else it's being destroyed by the 1% while barely anyone else seems to care
in reply to EVHaste

I would certainly rate vaccines as more important than the internet, but the internet is the most powerful tool for democratization ever created. Of course, both of those are under attack by the same forces of subjugation for completely non-coincidental reasons. Resistance is a prerequisite of being a decent person.
in reply to su_liam

@su_liam you know what, yeah, vaccines are a reasonable answer too!
in reply to EVHaste

Admittedly the absolutely insane wealth, information and power inequalities in the world only skyrocketed once the Internet was created. But is it correlation, causation or coincidence? The Internet enabled Google, Amazon, Facebook, but really those guys were using the same techniques that worked to screw up brick and mortar business in the 1800's. We just had laws to prevent it, and for some reason people started lying that didn't apply when you couldn't walk into the store. And got away with it, every time. Plus wealth monstrosities created by SpaceX, and indeed "brick and mortar" superstores weren't aided by the Internet. And the vast majority of rich fucks these days come from two scams: rental properties (especially hotels) and private equity. Internet doesn't help either of those schemes.

(I'd add speculation to the schemes, but that money doesn't exist; people are just lying that it does.)

So I'd say the Internet is... probably... a good thing. But its timing is terrible, coinciding with the constant, total failure of anyone opposing rich fucks and the unstoppable enslavement of every man, woman and child while the planet burns. Sometimes I just wish I could talk to my neighbors, and do something to protect ourselves against this global wave of tyranny.

in reply to Cy

@cy yeah, it’s true that as useful as I find it, the rich people have access to it, too. And they have the money to take it over, and control how I use it.

I confess that I’m not sure how to keep that pattern repeating yet.

@Cy
in reply to EVHaste

Stop people from using money. That's about the only thing that can do it. No paying rent, no paying back debts, no paying taxes, no paying for stuff at the store, no paying for land, it's all part of the scam.

I don't have much hope we'll ever achieve this... but the solution is pretty obvious.

in reply to Cy

@cy I mean the way the economy is going, and folks are losing their jobs to incompetent autocomplete, the next general strike might be an accident. I’m only mostly joking
@Cy
in reply to EVHaste

I'm 100% with you on considering the Internet to be my "home" so to speak. What corporations have done to it in this Age of Enshittification was already bad enough, but to take away people's basic anonymity, privacy, and safety with laws themselves so we can't even legally fight back against the things destroying us is just... I don't have words...

I mean, what's next? A law that everyone must put their bank account numbers as plain text in their usernames everywhere?

in reply to EVHaste

I think the long-term solution is spread awareness and reduce the stigma of censorship-resistent anonymous networks such as #Tor and #I2P.
#Tor #i2p
in reply to EVHaste

They won't have to break into your house, they'll just have your ISP block your access. Considering most people are using one of only a handful of megacorp ISPs in the US, I'm surprised they haven't already started to try and shut down critics at the ISP level.
in reply to EVHaste

On a related note, many ISPs also prohibit using your home connection to host websites in their TOS. I know Verizon does. I don't think many of them enforce this, but they could decide to at any moment.
in reply to PickleGlitch

@pickleglitch if you can imagine it, I care even less about ToS agreements than I do the law
in reply to EVHaste

I’ve made enough of a habit of putting inadvisable things in writing, that when it comes down to it cowardice will be pointless. This was a choice.
in reply to EVHaste

I feel like mesh networking (Reticulum, MeshCore, Meshtastic, LoRa, HaLow, etc.) is going to provide us with the replacement of the Internet in the long run. Since it has no infrastructure requirements beyond electricity, corporations can be easily locked out. :3

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in reply to Neil E. Hodges

@tk it’s funny you mention that, I was recently taught how to build a radio to join a mesh network, and will be contributing as soon as I can source the parts.

Hopefully I don’t electrocute myself, I’m not exactly an engineer. lol

in reply to EVHaste

exactly.

I also close my account the second a company uses AI as their customer service.

in reply to Kim Possible :kimoji_fire:

@kimlockhartga yeah, get that shit out of here.

Latest run in with it is Overtone. Really liked it but it if I can’t get a human I’m not using it again.

in reply to EVHaste

Well, it probably will if all the twats are stuck in the panslopticon.

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in reply to EVHaste

I just made it up! You heard it here first! (Well it kinda wrote itself like most satire and punchlines these days)
in reply to EVHaste

This is my plan as well.

I used to be one of those techy people that liked trying new platforms and so created a bunch of accounts (of which are all closed now). But took a page from partner. They would move on from any site that required an account, just wasn't worth it for them.

in reply to Ox1de

@Ox1de I got annoyed just yesterday cause labcorp tried to make you make an account to pay your bill now, depending on which button you click.

I’m like, no, if you want your money you’ll give me the old flow and we’ll part ways, thank you.

in reply to EVHaste

from my cold dead hands but it's a fistful of rj45
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in reply to EVHaste

i haven't been on #bluesky in awhile

i just won't do it

i could use a fake date

but i just resent it

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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@benroyce wow I hate so many things about the way they’ve phrased that.

1. Age appropriate according to whom? What are you, my mom?

2. Just give us this data real quick, it’ll be so easy. Don’t think about it too much, definitely do it without thinking please. Also we’re holding your account hostage

3. It’s private, trust us.™️

in reply to EVHaste

“trust us.”

Ugh.

I’ve deleted apps before this started, then re-downloaded later to be met with the age thing. I just deleted them again. It’s particularly annoying for apps I’ve paid for, as that wasn’t a thing when I purchased, but screw off for any personal info.

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in reply to Carolyn

@CStamp @benroyce Updates to things I paid for and previously used are a whole ‘nother furious soapbox for me.

Younger Val was naive and excited about the concept of getting automatic software updates. Tsk tsk. If only she’d known.

in reply to EVHaste

I recently received 3 emails from organizations wishing me a Happy Birthday. My bank, my physical therapist, and my dentist. 🤔
@benroyce
in reply to Hermey G

@Bobblegagger @benroyce Hm. On the bright side, those do seem mostly like services that would know it directly from you as opposed to having bought it from someone.

I’d still prefer not getting the email, but it’s something.

in reply to EVHaste

I always suspect the worst, meaning who else is this being shared with?
@benroyce
in reply to EVHaste

@Bobblegagger

EVHaste is quantifying their arm strength: write that down! put it on their data broker profile! 🤭

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@benroyce @Bobblegagger nooooo two more bits for fingerprinting, what have I done

(A friend taught me that phrase this morning)

in reply to EVHaste

i am sure the data scrapers have come for mastodon

AI training, etc

but it's nice to know there's no backdoor connection to our real lives

and i've seen lively discussions on here about how to trap web spiders that ignore robots.txt

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in reply to Hermey G

@Bobblegagger @benroyce and that is *entirely* reasonable. I wish it wasn’t the case but, at least for banks, probably is. (Healthcare I’m less sure about)
in reply to EVHaste

At some point there has to be a "The Fappening" level event, but instead of unconsenting celebrity nudes its various politicians and "the wealthy elite" IDs and pre-wank face scans being leaked. And I cannot wait for that day to come! People covering posters across the country with the stolen PMs ID card, with jacob rees mogs gormless face shot...
in reply to EVHaste

The greatest rebellion against service is quitting and spreading the clear reason of quitting, so more people could too.

Extreme truth nuke here

in reply to EVHaste

I'm seriously considering going offline. I'm old enough to remember life before the internet, and sure maybe it's just nostalgia goggles, but it seems like people were happier then. I would have no problem going back to physical media and having IRL relationships. The promise of instant access has cheapened everything and made it disposable, including each other. And increasingly, the internet just seems like a sucking tube trying to devour the world whole.
in reply to WombatDhampir

@VampirePenguin I can’t blame you for that! I will say though, that before the Internet was so centralized, it contained a lot of joy. And weird, single serve pet interest websites.
in reply to EVHaste

It's a flag that says cease participation with such rubbish.
Also a flag that it's time to get back to more community and land based work for those who can.
in reply to EVHaste

Oh yeah, fuck this KOSA bullshit. It was never about protecting kids in the first place.
in reply to Athena Montreux

@trippytgirl today I’m a little tilted by the California specific, OS level thing, which I don’t see as helping
in reply to EVHaste

Wait, we can create a new internet?

You should have said it earlier!

in reply to EVHaste

Informational resource on why age/ID-gating is such a horrible and damaging idea for *everyone* (except surveillance fascists ofc):

https://www.eff.org/issues/age-verification

in reply to EVHaste

What are you going to do when it's in your OS?
in reply to eighteyes

@eighteyes anything is possible as long as you remember: FCKGW-RHQQ2-YXRKT-8TG6W-2B7Q8 :)

(Not literally but you know, in spirit.)

They can make whatever they want illegal, but it’s too late to remove old hardware and software from the market. If I have to drive to Re-PC and install some 20 year old abomination I’m going to do it.

in reply to EVHaste

me thinks Linux would be kinder to you then old windows, i wouldn't wish that on anyone
in reply to eighteyes

@eighteyes haha, I AM currently investigating what flavor of Linux I plan on moving to once I retire this machine, which I’ve decided is my last windows machine in my lifetime.

I just don’t say that on Fedi because then my inbox will be full of people evangelizing their favorite and I prefer that in managed, intentionally solicited dosages. lol.

in reply to EVHaste

oh yeah, i will just stop using things. i grudgungly accept the necessity of account creation, even with the multiple administrative hoops involved in the modern incarnation.
you get a made up name, and i’ll put a number in the drop-down menu and call that a birthday if it makes you feel better. but if you want any more from me, and i am off.
in reply to EVHaste

if i can be 17ish and ditch minecraft from one day to the other after they forced microsoft account login eventhough it's my favourite game and all my friends play it on the same server, i think 5 years later adults can show solidarity with kids and teens just wanting to use technology like normal people, as well as protect their own rights to owning one's data.
in reply to EVHaste

that whole idea makes me feel sick to stomach. This is not what I signed up for. I already have been very light touch with corporations. Now I want nothing to do with them.
in reply to EVHaste

+9001%

In fact I'll rather teach kids how to use @torproject / #Tor and avoid #cyberfascism because being able to communicate freely amd hidden has saved countless of those from succumbing to the hostility and abuse they faced at "home"