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in reply to Neil E. Hodges

To be fair, bikes are utterly useless for going more than a few miles. Unless you're a fitness supergod.

Also ebikes are a lot more expensive than regular ones and not everyone has the energy for a regular pedal bike (*raises paw*).

But ebikes and escooters are great for getting around town!

So it makes sense to have little personal transportation things like (e)bikes/escooters for in-town and then cars for intercity. Maybe there could be big parking garages on the edge of town, either free (paid for by taxes) or monthly-rate, and just that's where your car lives when you're not using it.

in reply to Frost, Wolffucker 🐺:therian:

Keep in mind that the vast majority of personal car trips are less than 3 miles. Bikes are perfect for that. :3

Also ebikes are a lot more expensive than regular ones…

Still cheaper than a car! :P

in reply to Neil E. Hodges

They are indeed! :3

(As long as you include ebikes in that.)

Man, we've got NOTHING within 3 miles and we live in a city... we'd be going like 10 miles to our preferred grocery store. It's outside of our escooter's round trip battery range. (On an ebike we could get more range with pedal assist I bet, but ebikes are like $2000.) The train really helps.

in reply to Frost, Wolffucker 🐺:therian:

And ebikes are still cheaper than a car, yeah! :3

Though a car also lets you go outside your local bubble.

Of course, intercity rail and stuff would help fill that gap, but I bet it would be EXPENSIVE and also good luck getting rail built to every small town in the US (that seems to be a thing in Europe though, so it might be feasible physically, just not politically).

in reply to Frost, Wolffucker 🐺:therian:

Anyway, yeah, for in-town? Safer streets so biking/scootering won't get us killed, please!
in reply to Neil E. Hodges

fun fact: infrastructure designed for cars is usable by cyclists as well
in reply to Neil E. Hodges

@Thomas Bensler
Infrastructure sharing works wonderfully in Taiwan. Many streets here have neither bicycle lanes nor sidewalks. Drivers are more or less considerate of other road users. So do the many scooter riders. Usually, when cars or scooters overtake other road users from behind, the safety distance to the overtaken road user is often more than 20 cm. It hardly ever happens that a rearview mirror causes injuries.

And more and more newly planned and built roads even have footpaths and cycle paths. Which are actually not allowed to be parked on.

Well and then, should the cars are getting less, there will be no more need for dedicated food paths and bicycle lanes.

in reply to Neil E. Hodges

Here in #Ottawa we have many separate bike paths all over the city, but we also have a lot on on-road dedicated bike lanes. Of course you can also bike directly on the roads as well.