Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote. Don’t let a fascist take control. Don’t think that it can’t possibly happen there. This might be your last chance to vote. Don’t waste it. Sitting it out won’t help your cause but it will definitely endanger a lot of lives. That’s my take on it.
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George Maschke
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Baloo Uriza
in reply to George Maschke • • •George Maschke
in reply to Baloo Uriza • • •Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm Come on. It's 2024. At this point you need to be able bring yourself to admit that Jill Stein is Putin's puppet. She is supported by one of the biggest fascists in power today.
It would be lovely to have a viable green party in the US. But *you don't have that*. You have a Russian op. Jill Stein is not what you want.
Harris is far from perfect, but is also nowhere near is a fascist. Trump and Jill Stein, however, literally are.
George Maschke
in reply to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ • • •@WAHa_06x36 I have seen no credible evidence that Jill Stein is in any sense "Putin's puppet."
As for Kamala Harris being a fascist, she's in the pocket of moneyed interests and supports a militaristic foreign policy, including full throated support for Israel's ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.
baconandcoconut
in reply to George Maschke • • •George Maschke
in reply to baconandcoconut • • •Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @baconandcoconut Understood, and it sucks that you do not get a good choice on that, but, that's it: You don't get a good choice on that.
Trump is *much worse* on that than Harris, and a vote for Jill Stein helps only Trump.
George Maschke
in reply to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ • • •Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎
in reply to George Maschke • • •George Maschke
in reply to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
duverger's law:
in a #fptp #voting system (the #usa), a vote for a 3rd party hurts the candidate closer to your beliefs, and rewards the candidate furthest from you
a vote for #jillstein is a vote for #trump
you may not like that, but that is the truth of the #american voting system
we need #rankedchoicevoting #rcv, then we can vote our conscience and not bullshit strategy
read, educate yourself, and stop with the ignorant lies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
principle in political science
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)George Maschke
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
you're voting for #trump if you vote for #jillstein
so you are either lying, and you know it, and you are a troll supporting trump with manipulative disinfo
or you are lying, and you don't know it, and you are an ignorant fool supporting trump unwillingly
this is not my opinion nor an empty insult
this is the objective truth of the broken ass #american #FPTP #voting system
learn it
and stop lying
#election2024 #harris
George Maschke
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •@benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump.
And there are good reasons to vote for her (if, as I do, you support her policy positions), even though she is not going to win this election. This is so because if Stein garners 5% of the national vote, the Green Party will qualify for federal funding, helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
"A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, not for Donald Trump."
you need education
the #USA #voting system is #FPTP
this means only 2 parties can dominate, and 3rd party votes only serve as a spoiler. against the candidate closer to you, and for the candidate furthest from you
#duvergerslaw
did you read it?
read it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
why do you insist on pushing ignorant lies to help trump win, lying troll?
principle in political science
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
"helping to establish a viable alternative to the duopoly for future elections"
there will be no viable third parties in the *current* american voting system
ever
because of duverger's law
it isn't smoke filled rooms and corruption and dominance
it's math:
the usa is a fptp voting system
to get viable 3rd parties, which i want, we need ranked choice voting
*then* you can vote your conscience and not tedious strategy
do you understand?
stop lying
George Maschke
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
yes, galaxy brain political science professor: *one party replaced another*
and then continued on with the two parties taking positions on either side of a divide to win
so the green party could replace the democratic party
and then the green party just acts like the old dead democratic party to win
aka, nothing changes
to have viable 3rd parties in the usa, you need to change the voting system: ranked choice voting
please indicate that you understand
Wyatt H Knott
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to Wyatt H Knott • • •@whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
while i can tend to agree with you, getting us ranked choice voting will be difficult enough as it is. but doable. while converting the usa to a parliamentary system is many many orders of magnitude harder to achieve
there's even better voting systems than ranked choice. that i would prefer to support. but i throw my weight behind ranked choice because it has the most momentum
it's all about small steps, what we can achieve, to make things better
Wyatt H Knott
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to Wyatt H Knott • • •@whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
that's not how it works
you just literally rank your choices
from your favorite to your least
here watch this video
#aussies call it preferential voting, but it's the same thing as #rankedchoicevoting #rcv
https://youtu.be/bleyX4oMCgM
DrD
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to DrD • • •@NZedAUS @whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
i used to like that concept
but i've grown cool to compulsory voting
because you can force someone to the voting booth, but you can't force them to *care*
so they will just vote for joke candidates
but wait...
come to think of it, farce candidates are still better than MAGA malice
ok, i'm for compulsory voting again
Kevin Leecaster
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •If we are unable to get compulsory voting than I hope we can at least get the first Tuesday of November to become a holiday hopefully.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to Kevin Leecaster • • •@GreenFire @NZedAUS @whknott @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
100%. we need a national holiday for voting. gop will fight it kicking and screaming but we can do it
what do you think of this idea:
just make veteran's day also voting day
it's already established and only a week later
it's a little further out from hurricane season (good), but a little closer to blizzard season (bad)
i would think it would honor those who died for our country: vote to honor those who died so you can vote
George Maschke
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •fiberologist
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
"Duverger presents the example of an election in which 100,000 moderate voters and 80,000 radical voters are to vote for candidates for a single seat or office. If two moderate parties ran candidates and one radical candidate ran (and every voter voted), the radical candidate would tend to win unless one of the moderate candidates gathered fewer than 20,000 votes."
The US didn't get a 2nd round of orange cheato 2020 because people got their shit together and did not repeat the mistake of voting 3rd party in 2016 (in which 3rd parties trippled and quadrupled in comparison to previous elections).
2016 had a turnout of 6% voting 3rd party, whereas 2020 had 2% voting 3rd party.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/
Behind Biden’s 2020 Victory
Reem Nadeem (Pew Research Center)firebreathingduck
in reply to fiberologist • • •@fiberologist @gwm @benroyce @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
Before I continue, I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, Biden in 2020, and Harris by mail this year. I haven't been ignorant enough to vote Republican since the 1990s, and I'll never make that mistake again.
The centrist rage against third parties is unfair. Our enemies are the people supporting Trump, not the people voting third party. "You're either with us, or you're against us!" is exactly the kind of false dichotomy fascists use.
If Harris loses, it will be because the Biden Administration would literally - literally - rather support the Palestinian genocide than improve their odds of beating Trump. (And before anyone else says "Trump would make the genocide worse!" - "The other guy would commit genocide too!" is not a valid argument.)
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to firebreathingduck • • •"centrist rage against third parties is unfair"
i stopped reading here
the usa is a fptp voting system
a 3rd party vote can only strip votes from another party -> the party you dislike most wins
viable 3rd parties require ranked choice voting
support that
"americans" who say they vote 3rd party are either morons hurting their own cause, or geopolitical troll farm trying to swing the election
welcome to reality
learn it
Kevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •you forgot useful idiots which also abstain voting since they can't have their cake, eat it and get paid for it because that shure as hell isn't affirming whoever wins, cuz refusing to vote whilst being able to de-facto means silently consenting to the voting results...
AshleyYelhsa🔞
2024-10-24 22:14:53
Kevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to Kevin Karhan :verified: • • •@benroyce @firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut but hey, people who can't distinguish a christofacist from a mid career politician are nothing new I guess...
George Maschke
2024-10-29 13:12:14
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to Kevin Karhan :verified: • • •most of these accounts are russian trolls cosplaying american
but there are a few genuine american morons who don't even know how their voting system works, nor do they understand what the stakes are, or they feel entitled
these nonvoters / 3rd party voters are fodder for the trolls to work their lies on. completely toxic worthless fools, harming everything they care about, and they don't even understand how
Kevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •Content warning: USpol
If the USA was a "normal country" noone would give a shit, because them the consequences would be irrelevant for anyone oitside it's borders and without it's passport.
The last thing I want to do at christmas is pack for 'REFORUSA' because of the 313M citizens not even half got their asses up to vote and of those that voted less than half voted for Harris but chose to vote for Trump or waste their vote to a candidate that had no chance to begin with.
Make of that what you will, but if there's been an election that mattered up unitl now in my lifetime, it's THIS ONE and I demand that those eligible to vote muster some fucking discipline for once!
#USpol #USA #US #Geopolitics #AmericanExceptionalism #VeryStableDemocracy #REFORUSA #GoVote #VoteBlue #Trump #Harris #Facism #Christofacism #Racism #Genocide #Democide
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
2024-10-30 23:35:40
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to Kevin Karhan :verified: • • •@kkarhan @firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
this american approves of this rant
prost 🍻
Kevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •@benroyce cheers!
Füchschen Alt
fuechschen.deKevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to Kevin Karhan :verified: • • •Content warning: USpol
@benroyce @firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
But hey, at least this whole debacle clears my list of followers and followings of "useful idiots" and lets me focus on people who actually give a shit aboit this goddamn situation...
Why do I get the feeling @sixtus 's "HotTake" re: 'returning the favour of liberating Europe from facism' gets sadly more realistic than anyone could want?
Kevin Karhan :verified:
2024-10-30 02:42:09
SweetAI Belle :sweetunsure:
in reply to Kevin Karhan :verified: • • •Content warning: USpol
Already sent in my ballot, and on it, I voted for Harris *and* voted yes on ranked voting...
Kevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to SweetAI Belle :sweetunsure: • • •Content warning: USpol
@SweetAIBelle thanks.
SweetAI Belle :sweetunsure:
in reply to Kevin Karhan :verified: • • •Content warning: USpol
@kkarhan
They do!
Fortunately, Nevada sends everyone mail-in ballots, which makes voting easy. I was tracking my ballot, too, so I got confirmation both that the post office got it, and that it was received.
Unfortunately, voting isn't as easy as that in every state...
Kevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to SweetAI Belle :sweetunsure: • • •Content warning: USpol
@SweetAIBelle sounds like they do it similar to Germany, abeit propably because some folks are days on foot away from the next polling station.
Plus volunteers that run the polling places get paid for doing so and as part of the commitment to transparent, fair, democratic and secure elections, Germany allows everyone to monitor the entire election process (except shouldersurfing voters when they tick their boxes), so "election rigging conspiracies" have no air to stand upon.
SweetAI Belle :sweetunsure:
in reply to Kevin Karhan :verified: • • •Content warning: USpol
@kkarhan
The trouble is that the US is a big place with 50 states, and a lot of the details on how voting is done vary from state to state.
When the US was founded, they did'nt want a strong central government. In fact, people don't usually talk about the US's first try at a central government, the Articles of Confederation.
It gave the federal government way too little power, & you had, say, every state having their own money & all sorts of issues, so they wrote the Constitution to replace it & provide a stronger central government.
But, you know, it still is somewhat 50 states in a trenchcoat pretending to be a country sometimes.
The US also has this electoral college system that gives more votes to small states then they would have by population.
(If you ever wonder how the majority of the US could have voted Trump over Clinton... it didn't. Clinton got ~2.9 million more votes. But Trump got more of the electoral college votes, which was what counted.)
Kevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to SweetAI Belle :sweetunsure: • • •Content warning: USpol
@SweetAIBelle I know...
And that's the absurdity...
Whereas in Germany we have voting districts of relatively precisely 300k population (as per census data) and both direct candidates (most votes per district for a party) and relative percentage across all districts that result in parlament composition, where then the parties almost always have to form coalitions.
The U.S. system results in a shitty duopoly with not much party pluralism and extremely divisive politics, tho GOP being a Trump cult is at fault for the current situation where even proud republicans like Schwarzenegger switched sides...
Not to mention the Electoral Collegue was established to give slaveowners votes on behalf of the enslaved without having them freed and granted voting rights...
🥞 Pancake Man 🥞
in reply to Kevin Karhan :verified: • • •Content warning: re: USpol
Kevin Karhan :verified:
in reply to 🥞 Pancake Man 🥞 • • •Content warning: re: USpol
not shure if this is shitpost, politically illiteracy or someone being a useful idiot
Yeah, I bet you also bought HD-VMD...
- YouTube
www.youtube.com🥞 Pancake Man 🥞
2024-10-31 16:06:25
Kevin Leecaster
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •@benroyce @firebreathingduck @fiberologist @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
Here's a decent video discussing Jill Stein's investment in the fossil fuel industry despite asserting that she cares about global warming.
It also highlights how she is the reason that we even had to have a first Trump administration too.
#JillStein #VatnikSoup
https://youtu.be/H0GFCPsXusI?si=iqguBlJ4n6EGAsDi
- YouTube
youtu.beMourioche ⏚
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut I use mastodon with Firefox, and for each message in other language than mine (french), i can click a button to translate the message; using deepl.
Here is a screenshot of your message, and how it is translated.
The first sentence is completly wrong.
i'd be very interested to know where this fanciful translation comes from.
George Maschke
in reply to Mourioche ⏚ • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
tu es prompt à sortir les français. Je me demande si vous vivez aux États-Unis. Comment se déroulent les opérations agricoles de trolls de nos jours ?
George Maschke
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
working for putin
as a fool who doesn't understand the voting system of their own country and what fptp and duvergers law does to the value of a third party vote
vote democrat, and support those candidates that will give us ranked choice
then we can truly vote our conscience, third party, something i want
and something you want, but you're currently working against your own goals. because you don't understand the american voting system
George Maschke
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
but you are working for putin
supporting third party candidates only serves as a spoiler on democrats and therefore helps get us trump
many troll brigades know this, and push the same lies you push
they prey on the ignorant who do not understand the american voting system
if you are not such a troll, you serve them unwittingly
do you understand the concept of someone who cares deeply, but the effect of their actions only hurts their own cause?
George Maschke
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut
you absolutely do not understand the american voting system
twice i have linked to you duverger's law
veuillez lire et comprendre les paroles de monsieur duverger, car vos paroles sont profondément et fièrement ignorantes en ce moment
if you vote blue you get *better* on the issue of genocide
if you vote green you help get us red, which is *worse* on the issue of genocide
the ironclad truth is your current words and actions give us more genocide
Phil Johnston
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •@benroyce @gwm @Mourioche @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut it’s like you’re in a car at a T intersection stop sign where you can turn right or left.
But because you want the road to keep going you decide to drive off the cliff. That’ll show ‘em!
George Maschke
in reply to Phil Johnston • • •Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎
in reply to George Maschke • • •George Maschke
in reply to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @Mourioche
10 people in a room
4 want genocide
6 do not
they vote
4 vote genocide
3 vote not genocide
3 vote "i am a toxic idealist who expects perfection"
pro-genocide carries the vote and commits it
this analogy represents the only real value of a third party vote, or no vote, in the broken ass american fptp voting system
do not be a toxic idealist, harming your own cause
Mastodon Migration
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 • • •@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @Mourioche
Understand that people want clarity, and are upset that Harris has not come right out and told them what they want to hear. But, before she can do what they want her to do, she has to win the election first. The nasty reality of electoral politics in the US right now is she is forced to be less than direct because of all the constituencies involved. The point is she can't end the war if she is not elected.
1/2
Mastodon Migration
in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @Mourioche
But if you are listening, last night in Ann Arbor Michigan Harris gave what may be her most forceful expression yet on her intention to end the war.
https://www.youtube.com/live/8wEv5rxXI5U?si=1iSRbL_D2Cl8xe0l&t=3556
"And listen hey, on the subject of Gaza. Hey guys, I hear you. On the subject of Gaza. We all want this war to end as soon as possible. Get the hostages out. I will do everything in my power to make it so."
- YouTube
www.youtube.comAbi
in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •@mastodonmigration
@benroyce @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @Mourioche
thats the same exact party line they've been trotting out all year. call me when she mentions the genocide.
i agree with voting harris as harm reduction but don't piss on our face and tell us its raining.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to Abi • • •Weyoun 6
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm Stein supports the genocide in Ukraine. She is not a vote against genocide.
https://mastodon.ie/@EugeneMcParland/113397971841124791
Eugene McParland 🇺🇦 (@EugeneMcParland@mastodon.ie)
mastodon.iejoel b
in reply to Weyoun 6 • • •Danny Lucas
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Baloo Uriza
in reply to Danny Lucas • • •rhys the great
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Baloo Uriza
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
Unknown parent • • •👏 👏 👏
most of our problems are from #MAGA
but MAGA gets an assist from #toxicidealism on the #left that has no fucking clue how our #voting system works
you have to show the fuck up, especially in #primaries2026, and move the #democrats to you
not voting means democrats weaken and #republicans strengthen and do more damage
voting 3rd party does not work in #fptp voting: #duvergerslaw. so work to get #rcv. *then* you can vote 3rd party freely
#vote #election2024
Martijn Vos
Unknown parent • • •@firebreathingduck @Ben Royce 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Don't Boo: Vote
I completely agree that the Democrats aren't doing enough. Conservative Democrats are not that much better than moderate Republicans (are there any of these even left?). More progressive democrats need to be voted in. But if you can't even get the votes for that, how are you going to get a third party into power? The progressive voices exist, and they could win if they get more of them.
The US electoral system sucks, and that means that the Democratic Party is the only vehicle to get progressive politics pushed through. Progressives need to hijack the Democrats the way the Tea Party and Trump hijacked the Republicans.
Voting third party does absolutely nothing unless you can actually get a grassroots movement of 50+% of the American people on board. So get working on that, instead of throwing away your vote.
firebreathingduck
Unknown parent • • •@benroyce
blaming the Democrats for GOP obstruction?
Obama controlled the Department of Justice for 8 years and filed 0 anti-trust suits for "too big to fail" and prosecuted 1 small fry industry middle manager for "we're going to go after the people who caused the financial crisis". The big banks are still there, and Biden hasn't gone after them either.
Obama campaigned on protecting whistleblowers and then treated Snowden like a traitor.
Biden was the biggest Democrat cheerleader for the unjustified invasion of Iraq.
The GOP didn't make Obama order 563 drone strikes during his Presidency.
The GOP didn't make Hillary Clinton orchestrate the coup in Libya.
The Democrats overwhelmingly support our military budget every year.
Biden and the Democrats could have stopped the military aid to Israel at any time.
I am *profoundly* grateful for the Affordable Care Act, and the anti-trust lawsuits filed under Biden, and the appointment of judges that respect the humanity of people that aren't white cis heterosexual Christian men, and the legalization of marijuana.
But the big picture is that the Democrats are still in Wall Street's pocket, still bloodthirsty warmongers.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
Unknown parent • • •@firebreathingduck
yeah. they've done nothing. no gay marriage. no legal marijuana. no obamacare. nothing has changed at all. yeah. yup
and yes the dems could do more
if more people fucking voted so they could win more
and stopped *blaming the democrats for GOP obstruction*, genius
firebreathingduck
Unknown parent • • •@benroyce
(I don't know if anyone else still cares about the discussion.)
Impotence is spending twenty years voting for a party that has no interest in implementing anything they campaigned on.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
Unknown parent • • •@gwm @firebreathingduck @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
your toxic idealism has rendered you impotent
democrats had nothing to do with it
George Maschke
Unknown parent • • •firebreathingduck
Unknown parent • • •@benroyce @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
The Democrats are never going to move left, as long as their current policy of "Fuck you all, the Republicans are worse" and promising all kinds of progressive policies they never intend to deliver wins elections.
I live in Pennsylvania. Voters in PA can't even make ballot initiatives to change state laws or the state constitution. All ballot initiatives have to come from the state legislature, which will never voluntarily give the citizens the power to break the two party duopoly.
When enough people vote third party, the Democrats might decide they need to deliver on their campaign promises. Until then, they'll keep marching us to hell by using Republicans as extortion.
(Edit: for anyone that stumbles across this post without seeing the rest of the thread: I voted for Harris, I voted for Biden, I voted for Hillary Clinton. I consider Trump a unique threat. But going forward, I'm done.)
firebreathingduck
Unknown parent • • •@benroyce @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
For the 3rd time on this thread, if not the 25th:
1. I *did* decide that Trump is so much of a threat, that I voted for Harris. My refusal to vote Democrat again until they stop the genocide starts next year, assuming Trump is defeated.
2. The people de facto supporting the party furthest from me are the people that actually vote for the party furthest from me. Again, you're making a fascist, false dichotomy "If you're not with us, you're against us" argument.
If "harm reduction" is the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of civilians, maybe we're not worth saving.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
in reply to firebreathingduck • • •@firebreathingduck @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
i appreciate you voted for harris
so why are you here trying to minimize the problem of 3rd party voting?
do
you
understand
the
usa
is
a
fptp
voting
system
helllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooo
"Again, you're making a fascist, false dichotomy "If you're not with us, you're against us" argument"
no, galaxy brain, IT'S JUST MATH
learn
you are uneducated
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
Unknown parent • • •@firebreathingduck @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
for the 25th time in this thread:
in a fptp voting system, a 3rd party vote serves as a spoiler on the party closest to you, and de facto support for the one furthest from you
this is the reality
i don't like that reality, but i live in reality
do you?
my question for the trolls here working hard to elect trump to get us more genocide by supporting 3rd party:
do. you. understand. the. usa. is. a. fptp. voting. system.
George Maschke
Unknown parent • • •firebreathingduck
in reply to George Maschke • • •@gwm @barney @GreenFire @benroyce @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
"It also highlights how she is the reason that we even had to have a first Trump administration too."
That's funny, I could have sworn the reason we had a first Trump administration was Republican voters.
How silly of me.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
Unknown parent • • •@gwm @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
you want perfect
perfect is not on the menu
it is going to be trump or harris
this is completely without doubt
the rational individual does not therefore detach because they don't get perfect
the rational person chooses that which represents harm reduction
they do *what they can do to help*
rather than doing nothing and helping give us even worse
thus you are a toxic idealist, harming your own cause
George Maschke
Unknown parent • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦
Unknown parent • • •@gwm @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
and what you don't know, in ignorance, or you know, but hide in malice, is that in an fptp voting system 3rd parties only serve as a spoiler
thus a vote for 3rd party is a vote for trump, and you are helping us get fascism, and helping to kill palestinians
George Maschke
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