Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
#FIFA is holding an emergency meeting
Maybe they will give Agent Orange another pretty trophy? Maybe bigger, more gold... really sparkly? Will that fix the problem? (/s)
As an American: don't come here
Don't do business with the #USA
Until we clean this shit up. Mainly: we #vote #primaries #primaries2026 and get some real left candidates
https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/01/nearly-17000-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-amid-boycott/
#Boycott #BoycottUSA #Soccer #Football #Sports
Nearly 17K Fans Cancel 2026 World Cup Tickets Amid Boycotts
Tens of thousands of fans cancelled their tickets to the 2026 World Cup over the weekend amid safety fears in the U.S.Olivia Perreault (TicketNews)
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •He said there would be no voting after the last one, and he's trying to start world war 3 so he can cancel them.
If that doesn't work he'll just destroy the opposition votes.
The only option he's leaving you mass uprising and probably civil war.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to lynfox • • •you don't understand how voting works in the USA
it is controlled by the states
red states might do something corrupt, but they are already red states. blue states won't
also, you have to understand that this sentiment of yours is known as premature capitulation. fascists merely state a goal, and you act like it is reality already. why? it's weak
cynicism is nothing but acceptance. please do not articulate this sentiment anymore, you only help fascism when you do
we need to #vote
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lynfox
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I agree that US citizens need to do something. I just disagree on what that something needs to be.
Surely when people are being shot in the face by a Gestapo-like internal terrorist organisation don't you think it's too late to rely on rule of law.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to lynfox • • •americans are entitled and indolent
so they don't vote, they can't be bothered. they invent bullshit "high minded" rationalizations for their complacency
given that a general strike is even more unlikely
revolution happens when people are hungry. there is hunger in the usa, but enough have access to enough food it makes uprising unlikely. if the economy tanks, you may see it
so the easiest thing, of the difficult things, for lazy americans, is to get off their fucking asses and vote
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Huntn00
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Some can’t see stealing other people’s civil rights is a double edge sword.
And in a way this indicate that Trump medicine is just what the doctor ordered to wake some people up. Philosophically, if we can’t be aroused, we deserve the bad outcome and maybe then we’ll learn. 🤔
Offbeatmammal
in reply to Huntn00 • • •Huntn00
in reply to Offbeatmammal • • •lynfox
in reply to Huntn00 • • •@Offbeatmammal
It was midnight here when I last responded and I needed some sleep so I thought I'd just leave it at that, then I woke up to see more mentions than I'd ever expected on social media so I decided to take my own advice and continue "fighting".
I reread you initial responses to my comments Ben and I realised that you seemed to be doing what you accused me of; pre-emptive capitulation, with your comment about a general strike being unlikely even though Minnesota seems to be organising one.
Then the penny dropped... you are doing what the US has always done waiting for the Hollywood Hero or Marvel Superhero to sweep in and save the day.
That's what 'murrica doesn't understand, you don't win any battle like that. It's the tiny skirmishes that add up. World war 1 was one on the beaches of Gallipoli, the in the trenches of the Western Front from 1914 onwards not not in 1917-18 when you guys showed up to help mop up and claim YOUR victory.
And while you have a good claim to victory in the Pacific on 1945 you were only there because the Japanese Emperor was emboldened by your lack of reaction and tacit support of the Third Riech when WW2 actually started in 1939.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to lynfox • • •first, i'd love to see a general strike. but americans are fucking lazy. how you twisted that into "you don't want one" i don't understand
second, indeed there are people who are waiting for magic savior: nonvoters. they sit things out until perfection somehow appears. this is called toxic idealism. but, suddenly, i'm waiting for a superhero? huh?
any other accusations you want to make? i don't think you're understanding what i'm saying
Frank Frank
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@lynfox
One thing that cannot be overlooked is the effectiveness of Russian Style Active Measures Political Warfare Propaganda sowing chaos & apathy.
Dr. Timothy Snyder testified at the House Oversight Committee Hearing on China Propaganda. https://www.youtube.com/live/VoQZjUCT6bU
https://youtu.be/Ej_D0YkDjy8
Russia, China, & the Iranian terrorist franchises have effectively brainwashed large segments of our "useful idiot" "extreme Left" with propaganda passing through us".
It gave us tRUMP.
- YouTube
www.youtube.comBen Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Frank Frank • • •@FrankFrank @lynfox
yup
nonvoters and MAGA are the same in the respect that they are reduced to emotional states and then manipulated when in that state to achieve a voting effect
the effect sought with MAGA is to rile them up and get them to the voting booth
the effect sought with nonvoters is to depress them and make them feel powerless, and suppress the left vote
toxic idealism, mindless cynicism, alienation, learned helplessness, etc:
fodder for the troll psyop
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Lor 🏴☠️
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@FrankFrank @lynfox
At some point doesn't MAGA hit "anger fatigue"?
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Lor 🏴☠️ • • •@lor @FrankFrank @lynfox
perhaps but i'm not interested in watching the experiment play out. we need to end the experiment early
Lor 🏴☠️
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@FrankFrank @lynfox
1000% agree
obscurestar
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •bria
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I do agree, with a minor substitution.
replace Americans by Western "democracy" citizenS.
The uk, fr, de, be, aus,... follow the exact same path (and apathy) than the usa, with varying degree of "completeness".
@lynfox
Curioso 🍉 🇺🇦 (jgg)
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@lynfox
The main asset of fascism is non-fascist defeatism.
Don't ever concede a victory to them without first fighting it.
It is the way Trump wins his battles: making people feel fear and desperation.
For as long there are urns, they must be used.
For as long there are streets, they must be used.
Otherwise, democracy dies.
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@lynfox Also, on the “probably civil war”…
One of the U.S. FBI’s favorite tricks is to spur people into violent actions, and then arrest them for terrorism. This makes us very skeptical of anyone openly advocating for violence.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to aprilfollies • • •@aprilfollies @lynfox
and protests are great, when they are nonviolent
when they are violent, popular sentiment turns against you
ts 🚇
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to ts 🚇 • • •@tsyum @aprilfollies @lynfox
well you want the largest turnout
if it's peaceful a lot turn out
if it's violent, people avoid it
the number of quality streetfighters is quite small
Ovidi Nawer
in reply to aprilfollies • • •The thing is that now they don't need any excuse to do so, that's the issue.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ovidi Nawer • • •@Nawer_Rapter @aprilfollies @lynfox
well it's a sliding scale, it's not all or nothing
they get away with as much as they can get away with. and the idea is to not make it easy for them to get away with it
Ovidi Nawer
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I would bet the moves that actually made some backlash are more related to non-organized targeting of key objectives in that context.
Namely CEO erradication did have a surprising impact
The thing is that the far-right normalized and accepted violence and killing as a tool, legitimized even,and the left are taught not to kill even if they're erradicated,sadly
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ovidi Nawer • • •@Nawer_Rapter @aprilfollies @lynfox
if it comes to violence it comes to violence
the problem is getting violent too early, or too late. if too early it can backfire. if too late, you might have already lost
Adam van Sertima
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@lynfox @Nawer_Rapter @aprilfollies Aric McBay makes a strong argument for “all of the above” based on the histories of revolutions. But guess what—it will never be a quick, easy, and painless to resist a tyrant. But then, neither is living under one.
https://fullspectrumresistance.org/
Full Spectrum Resistance
fullspectrumresistance.orgDopes The Frogman
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Dopes The Frogman • • •@macacator @lynfox
and fucking vote
Dopes The Frogman
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Dopes The Frogman • • •@macacator @lynfox
right, voting isn't all you do. it's just a tool in your tool chest. the other tools need using too
Dopes The Frogman
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Sabrina Web :privacypride: 📎
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Sabrina Web :privacypride: 📎 • • •Sabrina Web :privacypride: 📎
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Sabrina Web :privacypride: 📎 • • •🤮
do these sites provide a breakdown of contribution sizes?
a common manipulation is the false appearance of popular support with a contribution by one rich douchebag
but yes millions of americans are just sadists and bigots
there was the woman who called a kid on a playground racist slurs, she received blowback on social media
then there was blowback to that where people donated to her:
$750k!
for being racist to a kid
this fucking world
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/17/racist-crowdfunding-campaigns-extremist
Go viral for racist behavior, receive $750,000: inside the new extremist crowdfunding campaigns
Gloria Oladipo (The Guardian)Sabrina Web :privacypride: 📎
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •DressToKILT
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@lynfox voting being controlled by the states won't matter if blue cities are under marital law on Election Day.
Take Pennsylvania. Lock down Philadelphia for long enough to disrupt the election and you pick up 2-3 safe seats in the House and oust a very popular Democratic governor.
They've already shown their hand on this.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to DressToKILT • • •@dresstokilt @lynfox
yeah but how do you lockdown philly
DressToKILT
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to DressToKILT • • •@dresstokilt @lynfox
you know...
you're absolutely right
just flood dem leaning cities in otherwise red states with ICE and you warp the vote by suppressing left turnout
fuck
DressToKILT
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •The big prize is states like Pennsylvania, where if they shut down Philly for the day, they can conceivably oust Shapiro - a presidential contender and one of the most popular governors in the country - regain control of the state legislature, and possibly pick up another House seat.
There's a number of governor races they could sway just by locking down a major city. Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Kansas, Iowa, Arizona... all currently polling within the margin of error.
ikuturso
in reply to lynfox • • •@lynfox Authoritarians don't typically just get everything they want instantly after grabbing power when there is an established democracy they take control of. Even in Orban's Hungary and Erdogan's Turkey it is still possible for the opposition to win elections and in Poland it did.
I'm sure Trump will try something and he may be able to influence it to some extent but I would bet he won't make voting in the midterms meaningless. He'll try to gradually corrupt them if not stopped.
@benroyce
Martin
in reply to ikuturso • • •@ikuturso @lynfox NO, no he won't.
He has not been prevented so far.
He believes he is a god.
He rules as such.
Remember,
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Martin • • •@martintheg @ikuturso @lynfox
I don't understand your comment
Because an asshole has a God complex... we should therefore obey and submit and act like they are a God?
Huntn00
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Huntn00 • • •@Huntn00 @martintheg @ikuturso @lynfox
just looking for clarification
Martin
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@Huntn00 @ikuturso @lynfox I deleted my toots as they weren't helping.
The Republicans made a man with at least two brain disorders untouchable due to supreme court stacking and congressional malaise.
The orange king's court want a death in its private army (ICE) in order to escalate. And escalation is seemingly the only way forward. I don't know why each step IS an escalation but here we are.
We don't and should not treat that felon with fealty. #uspol
Barry Cook 🇨🇦
in reply to ikuturso • • •@ikuturso @lynfox - Trump will find a way to de-legitimize the results of the mid-terms if Repugnicants lose seats, or preemptively cancel the vote entirely under the guise of a national emergency or declaring war on a country.
He’s already shown he’s not afraid of using his faux-military DHS / ICE / National Guard to quell internal dissent, even with deadly force. And the thugs in those agencies happy to play along.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Barry Cook 🇨🇦 • • •but what is the point of this comment in your mind
because when you act like trump's malice is unstoppable, you're saying the vote is meaningless. therefore people won't vote, therefore trump gets what he wants
you're wrong on the facts of how the vote happens in the USA: it's controlled by the states, not trump
and you're wrong on the attitude, you're presenting a fallacious rationale that there's no use in voting
the only effect is you are helping trump
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Barry Cook 🇨🇦 • • •@bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
yes, the us election system is completely fucked up
we need to fix it
how do we do that?
we show up and vote for candidates who will do that
we can't act like the problems are insurmountable and permanent, because that only helps the fascists
PaulaToThePeople 😷
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to PaulaToThePeople 😷 • • •that's right
no uprising happens just because someone starts rioting. why are they rioting? what do they stand for? who knows
if people vote, and then the vote is denied, and the people rise up: absolutely everyone is crystal clear as to what is happening and why. so people join in, because they know the message being delivered
so we have to vote first. otherwise there is no coherency of meaning
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Deb Nam-Krane
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Just...wow. How do these people keep coming out of the woodwork to discourage voting and ultimately *meaning*?
Someone tried to take something important away from you--so you just let them? You don't fight to preserve something that's of existential importance?
Those are rhetorical questions, BTW.
@PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
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in reply to Deb Nam-Krane • • •unfortunately, there is a lot of weak will and mindless cynicism out there
these people don't seem to understand that their own attitude is willing submission to fascism
or they are troll psyop to suppress the left vote with learned helplessness
i can never tell
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Deb Nam-Krane • • •@dnkboston @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
i've given up trying to tell. i just meet them on their fallacies and let it play out
Huntn00
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox People being executed on the street for no reason isn't enough of a cause?? We're just supposed to let that keep happening for ten months until the election??? There won't be anyone left to vote against him!
If people aren't willing to rise up over their friends, family, and neighbors being killed or kidnapped and tortured then I doubt an election is gonna be the thing that does it. I doubt they'll be *cancelled* anyway, even North Korea still has "elections". So it'll be easy for the people who want to ignore what is happening to pretend that the election was fair, to pretend that the ICE agents looking over their shoulders at the polls are legitimate security...if they can ignore folks being shot in the face then they can certainly ignore folks being turned away (or hauled away in cuffs) at the polls.
We've been hearing that the next election is the only chance to stop Trump for nearly a decade now and it's only helped them consolidate their power. The time to stop this motherfucker is NOW, not next fucking year!
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •@admin @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
fine
tell me how
and whatever you come up with, voting is just another tool to get that done
so we'll do what you say *and* vote
a vote isn't magic unicorns and rainbows
nobody said that so you don't have to counter that impression because no one serious believes that
it's just a tool, amongst a whole repertoire of tools, in a larger struggle
that's it
and use all your tools
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox Minneapolis is currently showing us how. Follow their lead. General strike starts in a few days.
Yes, voting is a tool. One of many. And not one we have the luxury of focusing on right now. We can worry about that in a few months once we've managed to turn things around a bit. If we can't do that then it's not gonna matter.
LukefromDC
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •lynfox
in reply to Barry Cook 🇨🇦 • • •@bazcook
Yes this my worry too and even worse I think it may be left to what remains of the 'old empire' Australia, New Zealand, Canada, to clean up the mess. Not sure we can even rely on the UK (they have their own problems). But unlike last 2 times when the US was just late to the party, this time they will be the actual enemy.
I hate the whole idea but we can't ignore the possibility we may have to choose a position. We can't afford to retreat into a delusional bubble like the US seems to be doing. Pretending it's still a democratic country.
@ikuturso @benroyce
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to lynfox • • •right but we can still vote and elect dems to control congress and freeze his agenda
this whole sentiment "the usa is already nazi germany" is self-defeating: you want trump to lose, right? so why act like he already won everything? trump is not untouchable. why act like he is? do you want to help trump? i don't think so, but that's what your words are doing because you're presenting a fallacious rationale that voting doesn't matter anymore. it still matters
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Barry Cook 🇨🇦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I don't see a another January 6th - this time led by Democrats - happening. Or without significant bloodshed if it does.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Barry Cook 🇨🇦 • • •@bazcook @lynfox @ikuturso
thank you
🙏
i just worry about talk that paints it as if trump is insurmountable. it deadens people's spirits
trump is defeatable
amalia
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •And as a German, I would like to add: Even in Nazi Germany we had resisting people when Hitler was already in power. The fact that some assassination attempts unfortunately failed does not mean that they were not attempted. The fact that people hid those who were being persecuted at the risk of their own lives does not mean that they did not do so. But the fact that at some point the Nazis gained the upper hand and the majority and murdered people in the
@lynfox @bazcook @ikuturso
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •resistance was partly due to the procrastinators, the silent ones, the do-nothings. The people who talked down the resistance or simply resigned themselves to the system.
A fascist system does not install solely because of ardent supporters. It also grows with the help of those who want to minimise resistance, who remain silent and look away.
@lynfox @bazcook @ikuturso
Alison Wilder
in reply to lynfox • • •@lynfox here's the thing that's probably not obvious outside the US: our election system is staffed by thousands of people who REALLY care about election integrity. I'm not saying the election will be 100% fair, but I think* that if there's a decisive victory, it will end up being honored. Although we'll certainly endure plenty of drama surrounding it.
* I could be totally wrong about this, obvs
@benroyce
Thierry Van Kerm
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •skedarwarrior
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I don't blame anyone from wanting Americans to stay away from their country, except maybe progressives, aka anti-fascists/anti-nazis and similar.
I understand what a laughing stock my country is and we honestly deserve it for allowing him to have a 2nd term as president. Both the uncommitted voters and trump voters.
The uncommitted voters were protesting the genocide biden was helping with, well now its going to be even worse with trump in power.
Talk about fail...
Both of those groups are idiots.
One at least has a heart though albeit misguided
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Barry Cook 🇨🇦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Agent Orange making the US unwelcoming for foreigners and locals alike. At least foreigners can choose not to support the country.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •Morgawr
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Hahahahahahaha......breathes .... hahahahahahahahaaaaaa....
Karma strikes, FIFA.
Duke
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Tulip
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Voting will only help us if the opposition can win by a big enough margin that they can't contest it. It needs to be an absolute landslide. Unfortunately, Dems have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot any time they have the advantage. They've been running the same strategy (appeal to moderate Republicans, at the cost of alienating progressives) for 10 years, and lost to Trump twice.
I knew we were fucked when Biden barely won in 2020, and way too many liberals took a victory lap and went back to ignoring the conditions that gave us Trump in the first place.
You can't vote fascism away.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Tulip • • •that's assuming usa is already full blown nazi germany
it's bad but it isn't that yet, so you can vote, and can make a difference
this rationale your presenting is saying a vote is useless. so people don't vote. so trump wins
so you're helping trump
do you want to help trump?
i don't think so, but that's what you're doing
so don't do it. don't present this "everything is already full blown fascism" fallacy. it doesn't help
Tulip
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •It's mostly frustration with Dem leadership being useless. For the record, I vote in every election, including state and local elections which are on odd-numbered years (VA).
But I have absolutely zero faith that the Democratic party, as it is now, will be able to stop Trump, or whomever else the fascists rally around after he's gone.
As for the historical parallels, look up how Germany's liberals sided with the Nazis to stop the socialists from gaining any power. We aren't there yet, but it's starting to rhyme.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Tulip • • •the democrats fucking suck
it's just they're just not fascism
some of us want a real alternative
3rd party doesn't work. so i champion taking over the dem party. more aoc s and mamdanis. show up in the primaries and throw out the spineless dems
Tim
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •@admin
100% agreed
but even if we don't get that, you still vote for the candidate that isn't an outright fascist. it's just self-preservation
Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Pretty much why I've voted third party for the last six elections...
I keep hoping more people do so, so a third party can get into the debates and provide another point of view, and someone else to vote for.
Maybe the rise of a third party will make the other two pull their heads out of their butts and do the job right, because NEITHER party has done so in recent memory....
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •@admin
the usa is an fptp voting system
there can only ever be 2 parties. it's not corruption (corruption exists, but it's not the reason). it's just math:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
to get viable 3rd parties we need a new voting system, like ranked choice. then you can vote your conscience free and clear and not worry about dreary strategy
ranked choice is creeping in in places
but if you vote 3rd party *before* we get that you divide the left vote and help MAGA win
you can't vote 3rd party
principle in political science
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Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I don't agree on the necessity of Ranked Choice.
In the Presidential elections, the candidates with the most electoral votes wins.
It doesn't matter if there are 2 or 20 parties.
The system was set up before the "two parties" even existed. The first few elections were party-free; candidates published what they stood for, and people voted based on their wishes.
If you vote third party, it's because you don't agree with the left or the right, or their candidates, and that's all.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •@admin
no. you don't understand the topic
first past the post means only two parties dominate. they cannibalize the platforms of smaller parties because of the math of the voting system. 3rd parties are unstable in fptp, and fade away
3rd party's only value in our voting system is to divide the left, or the right, and help the other side win
when you vote 3rd party, all you are doing is helping trump. this isn't your intention, but that is exactly what you are doing
it's just math
Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •If that's the case, then voting third party would have no effect on the other two parties.
I've been told that my vote for a third party helped Harris in the last election... I've been told that my third party vote helped Trump in the last election.
Both can't be true.. and if they are, then I need to be arrested and jailed for voter fraud, because that means I voted three times with one vote.
Third party voters are voting their conscience, as they should, and divides nothing. -c-
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •@admin
i don't know what to say to you. you're saying something that's just simply false. a third party vote divides the left and hands a win to trump
happened with nader in 2000
happened with perot in 1992 (in that case, it was dividing the right, giving a win to clinton)
are you familiar with the idea of someone who has good intentions but only winds up hurting something?
that is what you are doing
watch this, learn about voting systems:
https://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk
(the title is just edgy)
Huntn00
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Huntn00 • • •@Huntn00 @admin
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Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Huntn00 • • •@Huntn00
Actually, I do...
Ranked Choice means that if the candidate I do like doesn't get enough votes, then the candidates I don't like can "steal" my vote.
Now, tell me, why would I want a candidate that I don't want in office (which describes the last 8 elections - or more - in the US for me) to be able to count my vote for them, rather than for the candidate for which I wish to vote?
@benroyce
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •what you just wrote is a lie
your first rank gets your vote. if they don't win, your second choice gets your vote
so you can vote your conscience, without worrying that your vote will divide the left and hand a win to trump. which is what happens with a 3rd party vote in fptp
again: fact. not opinion
why would you lie about this
it's quite obvious what it is
mathematicians have studied this. you can't deny reality just with your feelings
Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •From the way I understand it, ranked choice requires all candidates to get a vote, in order....
I can't *ONLY* vote for the candidates that I want in office, I *MUST* rank all the candidates in order of preference.
If my candidate doesn't win, then my "second choice" (which isn't someone I want in office) gets my vote.
This is not how I wish to vote.
@Huntn00
Huntn00
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •• Primarily it removes the spoiler effect, and allows you to vote for you really want and not worry about wasting your vote.
• it allows you to pick your green or ultra conservative candidate.
• but if your first choice fails to win, your second preference, the moderate can still prevail maybe.
That’s all I’ll say about it, accept it or not.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Huntn00 • • •@Huntn00 @admin
prepare to be blocked
😂
what a doorknob
Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Also, that's the last time you're going to call me a liar.
There is nothing further to be gained from this discussion.
@Huntn00
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@admin @Huntn00
and... blocked
😂
it's like arguing with an antivaxxer
they just don't want to accept reality
they have their belief. their belief is false. hard, cold false
but they won't hear it. their mind is shut
willful ignorance
this person is actively supporting trump, and has absolutely no clue that is all they are doing. in the reality of the voting system. their intentions may be great. but math doesn't lie
Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •@admin
that's not true
if i am left leaning, i prefer the 3rd party candidate, but if that candidate doesn't win, i certainly don't want trump
but i get trump, because of the way the voting system works, because i voted 3rd party
it's just math, in our sucky fptp voting system
Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •So, you're saying that I shouldn't vote MY conscience, I shouldn't vote for the candidate that I believe will do the best job in office, simply so that you get your way in the election?
Essentially, you're asking me to vote the way you dictate, instead of the way I feel. Therein lies the fallacy.
The idea that my third party vote "divides" one side or the other is fallacious. My vote was never with your candidate, or the candidate you hate in the first place. Noting gets divided.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •@admin
the problem is in fptp you can't vote your conscience, you also have to use strategy
it isn't about what i want
if you're playing a game of chess, do you imagine you have 5 queen pieces on the board? no. it doesn't work that way
same with voting 3rd party
it just divides the left and trump wins. you can't imagine it does anything else. it's just the way the voting system works
don't shoot the messenger
i'm not trying to convince you of my opinion, i'm describing reality to you
Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •That's the thing... I only need to use strategy in order to force my viewpoint and candidate on the rest of the country.
I'm not trying to be insulting, but thinking like that is religious in nature, or even cult-like. "Christians" wanting to force the rest of the world to live by their values, for exaample.. They use "strategy" in the same manner you propose in order to influence government.
The true solution is for individuals to vote for themselves-or we get where we're at now.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •@admin
you're acting like this is about opinions
this is about facts
in the fptp voting system, it is a fact it's a contest between only 2 parties. in this arrangement, 3rd parties can *only* siphon votes off from one of the 2 major parties and cause them to lose
that's it. there's no opinion. no religion. just mathematical fact
i asked you before: are you familiar with the idea of someone who has good intentions, but because they don't understand something, they only wind up causing harm?
Huntn00
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Huntn00 • • •Right
@ admin doesn't seem to understand there are mathematical rules here and is acting like we're forcing our opinions on them
but what's happening is the us voting system is blackjack and they are trying to play poker
If we change the game, and go to ranked choice voting (poker), everything they say makes perfect sense
But unfortunately we're stuck at the blackjack table until we vote in those people who will change our voting system
And it is creeping in in the usa
Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally:
in reply to Huntn00 • • •@Huntn00
So does the current system...
@benroyce
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •@admin @Huntn00
Because the founders of the country weren't mathematicians. So the system is broken. And you are choosing to not understand how it is broken. We're asking you to understand the math. Did you watch the video link I sent you? It's quite good. You will understand the reality you are stuck in (again, it has nothing to do with opinions or religion, just mathematical facts)
goedelchen
in reply to Eh Eye Ate Dub Yah ✡︎ :ally: • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to goedelchen • • •@goedelchen @admin @Huntn00
but the current system doesn't work for them
this person seems deeply confused about some basic facts of what an fptp voting system is, and are stubbornly refusing to learn the reality
goedelchen
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to goedelchen • • •and the account we're responding to not only doesn't know that is the only effect of a 3rd party vote in fptp, but also doesn't care
what a world
Huntn00
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@admin
Ugh, I hate Duverger's law so much. It’s describing an unstable equilibrium and the fact it’s unstable is obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of game theory and psychology.
I wrote an essay arguing that it was likely to be an accurate predictor only in the short term due to that instability when I did politics A-level in the late ‘90s. The predictions I made in that essay pretty much described what happened in the UK since then.
I got a low mark because the marking scheme said that Duverger's law is correct. And it’s still taught as if it’s a real thing.
Duverger's law Is behind the ‘move to the centre’ model of mainstream parties in the UK and USA, and this does give short-term gains. But, as you move to some imagined centre, you also disenfranchise voters who support the positions you’ve moved away from.
Most elections under FPTP are won by getting 25% (often less!) of the electorate to vote for you. You are not competing just against the other candidates but also against voter apathy. Even in the late ‘90s, turnout in an election in the UK was under 70% and most candidates would have come second if ‘did not vote’ was counted as an option. When you have 40% of the electorate who doesn’t think either party represents them at all, a third candidate who can engage them has a very good chance. And then you may reenter the unstable equilibrium state a bit as some existing parties are relegated to obscurity and others try to engage with those voters (while moving away from their party faithful, which grows the pool of disenfranchised voters).
Note: I still believe FPTP is a terrible system, in part because of this instability. It leads to abrupt changes as the system lurches from one unstable equilibrium point to another.
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE
in reply to David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*) • • •@david_chisnall @admin "Most elections under FPTP are won by getting 25% (often less!) of the electorate to vote for you."
We once won a 2/3 majority on the council with the votes of around 10% of the electorate.
Turnout was around 30%, we got about a third of that, so around 10% of the electorate, but with a four way split we were much better than anyone else at targeting.
The Tories at the next table in the pub after the count were moaning about how unfair this was, until we pointed out that they'd had plenty of time in government to abolish FPTP if they thought it was unfair.
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
in reply to Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE • • •@TimWardCam @admin
True. I was thinking about elections of MPs but more FPTP elections occur for more-local government.
And, as people in the US keep failing to learn, local government is where you start winning as a third party. There’s no point standing for President as a third party. You won’t win unless everyone hates both other candidates and even if you do you can’t do anything useful because you’re working with a hostile congress and so you’ll reach the end of your term with no successes to claim and the major parties will use this as a reason no one should vote for you.
But winning a local council and doing a good job shows people both that you can win elections and that you can govern. Then flip a few constituencies. Then grow. The Greens in the UK seem to be pretty successful in this strategy.
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE
in reply to David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*) • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE • • •@TimWardCam @david_chisnall@infosec.exchange @admin
david is talking about the UK
UK has parliamentary, which lends stability to third party the USA does not have
david is right, but only for the UK
duverger's law is a real effect, and it is mollified in the UK. there is no such mollification of duverger's law in the USA
third party in the USA only helps fascism (until we get ranked choice)
i wish Europeans would understand how fucked up the USA voting system is and alter their comments appropriately
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CM Thiede
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to CM Thiede • • •@cmthiede @TimWardCam @admin
ranked choice is creeping in
very slowly though so yes
Urzl
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Charles Berkow
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •In the US, you have to go for the least bad.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Charles Berkow • • •@Charlesberkow @TimWardCam @admin
i'm certain you'll tell me about all the problems in swedish politics, but, from this american's perspective, what you just described sounds like a dream. the american voting system *sucks*
Charles Berkow
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Charles Berkow • • •gunstick
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to gunstick • • •@gunstick @admin
sure but it's not about what the ideal is. it's about what can be achieved
like:
"throw trump in jail!"
agreed, but you need to elect the people who will make that happen first. it does no good just to proclaim that
it's not good enough to just proclaim what is ideal, but to talk in terms of what is achievable, now
and getting ranked choice is hard enough
but if we do get that, then maybe yes, we can have a constitutional convention after we finally elect some good reps
Charles Berkow
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Charles Berkow • • •@Charlesberkow @admin
i don't have a problem with anything you said
however, if there is a real left democratic candidate up in the primaries or the general election, the best strategy is to go for them
the idea is to take over the democratic party
the democratic party sucks. in a normal country, you go for a 3rd party. in the screwed up usa, we are left with the best, sucky, strategy of taking over the dems
and then getting ranked choice, and then voting 3rd party to our heart's content
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Cykonot
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Joe (TBA)
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Joe (TBA) • • •@RegGuy @Charlesberkow @admin
the problem is what you mean by socialism
there's "socialism" like in venezuela and cuba, which is more like kleptocracy and despotism. and i agree with you about that kind of "socialism"
and then there's social democracy. norway or finland for example. i'm sure you understand that's far different
and then there is democratic socialism, which is yet another difference
that's what mamdani is
we need a new language here because people get hung up on terminology
Joe (TBA)
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Joe (TBA) • • •@RegGuy @Charlesberkow @admin
that's why i said we need new terminology. obviously norway works and venezuela doesn't. so we need a word that won't cause an immediate trigger reaction in americans about what socialism is
Joe (TBA)
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Joe (TBA) • • •@RegGuy @Charlesberkow @admin
agreed. but there has to be a word for it. people can't talk in paragraphs all the time
Charles Berkow
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •But that won't help unless it's been explained.
Joe (TBA)
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •MarinaAbramovic'sInvisible Man
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@admin
You would have to find one and they don't exist
Waiting for The fascists in both party to provide real candidates is literally the definition of insanity
We have tried this for decades and it does nothing but get worse...
Even a mildly left platform including stopping genocide would have ended this in 2024
But Bush in a skirt lost to cheetolini because instead of being that candidate which would have won easily, she punted and promised more fascism just with a smile and some fun
We have to throw them all out because they will not help us they have made it quite clear
Collaborator/crypto Democrats are helping the nazis just as much (if not more) at this point by doing not a single thing
Fuckwads secret police are now shooting people in the face and then saying she deserved it
When it was all on camera
You think that these people are going to get voted out?
It is that type of apathy that is the biggest factor in fascisms advance
Just waiting for the elections is a privileged position... It means that they aren't shooting at you yet
Right now it is the VAST majority of people doing absolutely nothing that is making it easy for fascism to move forward
We all need a personal game plan about what sacrifices we are willing to make, because if not it will get so much worse so much faster and when it's all over if we are still alive we will be one of the people that has to lie when they say they were against it the whole time
Kristen
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •tuban_muzuru
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •When I see this sort of thing:
"As an American: don't come here
Don't do business with the #USA"
I'm thinking about the people around me, here in Wisconsin, dependent on tourist business - it's pretty terrible up here just now.
Not a milligram of nuance to anything said around here.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •that's correct
avoid the usa. completely. florida. nevada. wisconsin. everywhere
zero nuance intended. zero nuance required
the country is acting in ways that can not and should not pass without consequence
tuban_muzuru
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •the hefty bag called the reality of living in a country. and yes we are all in it. and there is no alternative. who leads us has consequences, as a whole group
i'm not proposing a path. i'm describing the path we are on
don't shoot the messenger
tuban_muzuru
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I sure wish I was as similarly convinced of the evil of the American public. Yeah, when our leaders run amok, the thing which will convince those rogue elephants of their evil ways is to damage ordinary people who didn't do anything to anyone, just trying to run a business.
That's "reality"
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •@tuban_muzuru
yes. that is the reality. elections have consequences. and what let us down is nonvoters and MAGA. it is their fault. we will now suffer, because of them. and there is no way around that. i'm not saying it's good, i'm not saying it is bad. i'm saying it is inevitable
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tuban_muzuru
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •No, it's policy. We decide to tell people not to come here, don't do business here - how will that get more people to vote for reasonable candidates?
It won't and we both know it.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •i don't think canadians are ceasing to come because i got on social media and said the usa sucks
i do think canadians are ceasing to come because an orange turd got on social media and threatened to annex them
the question is why the orange turd can do that
and the answer is because enough couldn't be bothered to vote, and enough are ignorants who love bigotry, that he is in power
it's not anything we control anymore
we had control, and we blew it
we better vote next time
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tuban_muzuru
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •We have warnings by our Foreign ministries how to behave, and we read in our newspapers how innocent tourists were either prevented from entering the United States in the first place, or were repeatedly detained and hidden away in dubious prison camps before our embassies secured their release.
These facts are enough, we don't need social media. Your government does enough to keep people away.
RiaResists
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to RiaResists • • •@benroyce @tuban_muzuru
RiaResists
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •Half of America have been fighting this since day one.
Stupid Americans have contributed to the uprising of fascism around the world.
They are unreachable & intentionally misinformed.
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to RiaResists • • •@RiaResists Reality anecdote: Half of my family fled from Hitler already in 1923 (yes, the danger could have been seen then), some later ... to the USA. Some of them fought against the Nazis as US soldiers in Europe.
Their grand-children and later generations are horrible MAGA heads now. To this day, I still cannot comprehend this betrayal of their *own* history (and I've cut the contact).
@benroyce @tuban_muzuru
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC @RiaResists @tuban_muzuru
some people just want to learn the hard way
RiaResists
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Some people don’t want & aren’t willing to learn anything.
isotope239 🥸💻🇺🇦😣
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in reply to isotope239 🥸💻🇺🇦😣 • • •tuban_muzuru
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC @isotope239
Since 9/11 the USA is somehow broken.
Why do so many people lose faith in government? It's like religion, if all those people stop believing, they go to the ancient history department.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •yup, as i think i told you before, my last day of work at the wtc was 9/10/2001. i woke up late the next day so i never made it in
it really did shake our confidence, release all of our insecurities. and those insecurities morphed into derangement
tuban_muzuru
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@NatureMC @isotope239
I lost a team of six coders on a gig at Cantor Fitz.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •@tuban_muzuru @NatureMC @isotope239
😔
they got hit hard
i was at 5 wtc
9 story building between the towers
all my coworkers made it out. but they weren't spared the carnage
i still remember the zombies caked in asbestos dust wandering in a trance all the way up through times square
i spent hours on the phone with a friend who just ran across the brooklyn bridge having a mental breakdown
i'm not religious but i went and prayed at st. patricks
and the missing posters in grand central 😩
tuban_muzuru
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@NatureMC @isotope239
The FDNY Wall
tuban_muzuru
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •@tuban_muzuru
the democrats fucking suck
replace them with young leftists
show up in the primaries
but just not voting and having no transition means you're just handing more to maga. and even less will visit the driftless
tuban_muzuru
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Coach Pāṇini ®
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •@tuban_muzuru
I don’t think “reasonable leadership” is an option on the table anymore.
There’s no going back to the “old normal” here in the New Normal™
The options are the unreasonable vs the wicked.
tuban_muzuru
in reply to Coach Pāṇini ® • • •@paninid
"Inspiration move me brightly
Light the song with sense and color
Hold away despair
More than this I will not ask
Faced with mysteries dark and vast
Statements just seem vain at last
Some rise, some fall, some climb
To get to Terrapin"
Truth is, Ben, I'll be glad to be gone.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to tuban_muzuru • • •we all come and go
it's nice to leave a mark though
to matter, in a way that made a difference. doesn't have to be discovering penicillin. and to matter to our loved ones is the most vital
Huntn00
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Somehow, FIFA is completely missed the fact that the World Cup in the United States poses a material health risk to anyone outside of the United States wanting to view it. And that toy prize they gave to Trump that didn’t help that did not help.
John Rohde Jensen
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •So far I've gotten rid of the streaming services, the social media, Microsoft and amazon. I'm currently working on leaving Google but that one is a bit more tricky.
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •We also need to use tools like cyber and economic
🎆🎉 Masto New Year 🎊🎇
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to chx • • •care to explain?
i checked out the site before posting
they are a reputable niche site devoted to ticketing news. headquartered in connecticut, founded in 2006
https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/ticketnews
but yes, fakery on social media is a problem in the world
Joachim 🇪🇺
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Sounds like wishful thinking:
1 - tickets can't be cancelled
2 - what are 17k vs. more than 100m?
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Joachim 🇪🇺 • • •@jotho @chx
"Given that FIFA has a strict no cancellation policy on sold tickets for the World Cup, it is likely that the figure is reflective of people cancelling their participation in the in the third phase of ticket sales for the event – either the “random draw” selection process, or purchase via member organizations."
chx
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Roya NewsBen Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to chx • • •@chx
well then if this ticketnews outfit is reporting fake news their reputation is going to be toast
been around for 20 years. i guess they threw it all away?
Justus
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in reply to Justus • • •@AtJack
sure
https://www.givemesport.com/thousands-fans-cancel-2026-world-cup-tickets-usa-report/
17,000 Fans 'Cancel World Cup Tickets Overnight'
Robin Mumford (GiveMeSport)Justus
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Justus • • •@AtJack
i guess so
i mean if the story is fake it's fake. and the source i linked to is toast. they've been around since 2006, they're a real outfit. so we'll see if their reputation goes to hell
François @Jura
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Snippety Snap (she/her)
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •LOL
FIFA: Let's align ourselves with a brutal tyrant and present him with a fake trophy to make nice.
FIFA (later): Oh shit. We did not expect that people do not want to spend their vacations in fascistland being brutalized by a tyrant and need to call an emergency meeting to figure this out.
#FIFA #FAFO #USPol
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StillIRise1963
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in reply to StillIRise1963 • • •@StillIRise1963
FAFO
Maddad ☑️
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@StillIRise1963
I haven't supported sports in any way, shape or form since the mid 90's.
I love it when things like this happen.
RememberUsAlways
in reply to Maddad ☑️ • • •@maddad @StillIRise1963
IDK Why @Stillrise1963 has me muted 😄.
I wish I could read her comments! Perhaps one of you gentlemen could ask her to unmute me if she would be willing in grace🙏
Thanks!
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to RememberUsAlways • • •RememberUsAlways
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@maddad @StillIRise1963
2024 Fedi was brutal.
I hope we never repeat.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to RememberUsAlways • • •just roll with it
a few early blocks bothered me
now i just don't care anymore
"oh hi...
oh bye..."
whatever
mastodon can be ridiculously harsh
Armin Hanisch
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Armin Hanisch • • •oh yeah, it's a tiny dent
but hopefully it focuses some people's attentions who don't care we got trump. there are certain things they do care about, and maybe now they will see the consequences
Armin Hanisch
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •@moshimotsu
it is only a drop in the bucket
but it's focusing attention, which is good
George B
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Paul Chambers🚧
Unknown parent • • •@LaNaehForaday Who knows how many people really are canceling [not showing up] since that 17,000 comes from the third phase of ticket sales and the other phases are non-cancelable. It very well could be a very empty World Cup.
I don't feel bad for FIFA but I do have empathy for the local businesses that will be losing a significant boost in business, esp in this Trump Economy. Except Hilton. Feck them.
@benroyce
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Paul Chambers🚧 • • •@LaNaehForaday@universeodon.com
Yeah its a drop in the bucket
It does focus the attention of certain people though
Babs E Blue #IStandW/Minnesota
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in reply to Jan Antoš • • •i'm certain there are americans who think "get rid of trump and everything goes back to normal"
they are sorely mistaken
i've posted your sentiment myself before:
trust is hard earned, easily lost
it will take a decade or two for europe to trust the usa again, if it comes to pass that the usa reverses course, and sustains (rather than flipping to some other fascist again some years from now after a period of recovery)
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Charo del Genio
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@janantos why do you think so? Personally, I think that, at least for the Europeans, it will be like flipping a switch.
We have been used to just do whatever the US orders for very long. In some cases we even have precedents of exceptions in criminal law made specifically for Americans. If you look just at Italy, there have been numerous high-profile cases in which the US imposed the industrial policy of the state, including by means of assassinations of entrepreneurs.
My guess is everyone will be happy to instantly switch back to the previous attitude, even just for a psychological effect of reverting to the usual situation.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Charo del Genio • • •@paraw @janantos
i think this is true after one trump term
after two, no, i disagree with you
europeans will not think of the usa as they have post wwii pax americana for a long long time, and only if we return to legitimacy and stay there (not elect some other fascist for example)
the pax americana era died on nov 5, 2024
Charo del Genio
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@janantos it's possible. Time will tell. You are more optimistic than me on this. Anyway, the first step is making sure the MAGA are voted out of existence.
You know, I'm organizing a conference (in Europe), and a person from the US whom I invited declined to participate because he's afraid they won't let him back in (he's an American citizen, but he was born in India). I mean, this is so fucked up. And of course, it's nothing compared to people getting murdered in the streets.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •TwiceBitten
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •i’ll believe that when I see it. European government seems just as likely to buddy up to china as it takes world power as it did with the US these last 100 years. Not sure where the moral high ground is in being complicit in whatever evil the new bully in charge is doing.
This assuming Europe stops its own fascist movement in time.
Armin Hanisch
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Make that half a century, at least!
mar10sanch32
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Boycott the US World Cup !
Broadcasters: I won't watch a single game.
Advertisers: I won't see a single ad.
Teams: your fans & players are in danger.
Players: I won't watch, it will forever be an asterisk.
Fans: If you must, go to Mexico & Canada.
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in reply to Extra_Special_Carbon • • •@Extra_Special_Carbon
it happened this weekend because a bunch of social media influencers got on the bandwagon
Extra_Special_Carbon
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in reply to Fenix • • •@fenixmaster
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
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