My million dollar idea I want someone to steal and do, so I can be a customer.
"Dumb Stuff" we sell electronic appliances that aren't Internet connected. That's all.
That's it. That's the pitch. I would buy the <bleep> out of this company if their electronic gadgets were even half way decent, and repairable.
Electronic, no wifi, regular screws to open it up. That's it. Do those three things, and you can be sold by this store.
I will pay this business to curate and find these devices for me.
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Lauren Weinstein
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •Graydon
in reply to Lauren Weinstein • • •@lauren If someone wants to be an idiot, it's more work to stop them than benefit from stopping them.
Also, there's a beautiful electromechanical toaster design that was in production for decades just sitting there. There isn't anywhere to attach the electronics. There's an electromechanical boiled-dry kettle mechanism you can still get. There's a lot of options like that which aren't ever going to be cheap but that's the point; cost per year of effectiveness is lower that way.
Pseudo Nym
in reply to Lauren Weinstein • • •@lauren
You know, I'm ok with that.
Jack Yan (甄爵恩)
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •Pseudo Nym
in reply to Jack Yan (甄爵恩) • • •@jackyan
Exactly. I want my printer to put ink on thin slices of dread trees in a pattern I specify, I want my toaster to warm bread the right amount, and my TV to display video signals sent to it.
Jack Yan (甄爵恩)
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •Bernard Sheppard
in reply to Jack Yan (甄爵恩) • • •@jackyan Can I open a "Stuff Made Dumb" kiosk in the back where you can bring in your otherwise perfectly functional 3-in-one printer-scanner-fax (that you don't use for faxing or printing), but would like to scan with, but is refusing to work because the printer cartridge that is still full of ink has expired?
I will sell you a pretty much dumb USB cable that will firewall the fuck out of the printer cartridge talking back to home base.
Yes, you can still scan.
Sorry, hp.com.au is unreachable.
According to the best available NTP server, the time is (based on your serial number) 240 days after you were manufactured.
The cable is a little bit smart: it's the same cable, it configures itself based on the device it is plugged into.
I guess I could sell them mail order, but the sense of relief that people would get is what would be worth it for me.
kik
in reply to Jack Yan (甄爵恩) • • •@jackyan
> Long may they all live—at least till this shop opens.
Which may actually be a good reason not to open that shop : when this happens, we're back in the cycle of trashing perfectly functioning hardware because something better is available. :)
Maybe what we really need is a shop specializing in repairing what is supposed to not be repairable? or at least, replace the bare minimum that must be destroyed in the device to repair it. Build techniques and sell tools that allow to do that, and look the mid-20th century job of local electronic repair shop be born again and buying your stuff.
Even better version than that : repair and modding shops. Keep up with the new ideas by upgrading your old hardware. Sounds like a job for makers, and marketplaces of such mods could be opened.
It also solves the problem of "what is the economical value of selling stuff that doesn't need to be replaced?". As long as there is new hardware, we will need new repair machines.
Sam Oldman 🐀
in reply to kik • • •@kik @jackyan I'm in the middle of making a new metal part for a door handle because I don't want to buy a whole new door handle for $28. I've spent hours with a file and sandpaper. I'm enjoying myself in the process.
No normal person would pay someone for hours of their time.
kik
in reply to Sam Oldman 🐀 • • •@samloonie @jackyan Oh yeah, totally, it's a difficult problem to solve (which is why there may be a business there, you don't build a successful one by solving easy problems). What needs to be solved is allowing to do such repairs in less time. Not that we really tried in the last few decades anyway. It doesn't need to fix all problems of the world out of the door either, but may start with the most common one, do it well, and build up from there.
For electronics, we also very well may not have a choice. We currently live in a world where it's dirt cheap, but it's entirely dependent on stable and intense supply chains, no country have all the material needed to build a computer in their soil. Here is the problem : those supply chains depend on seafaring, which is easily affected both by climate change causing extreme weather and geopolitics. So, repairing electronics may soon become practical after all. And of course, electronics are not the only products affected, here.
Trouble
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in reply to Trouble • • •Catherine is in a mood.
in reply to Trouble • • •PartSelect is amazing.
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Unknown parent • • •Nicole Parsons
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •Our parents had household appliances that lasted decades and were repairable and maintainable.
Just hauled a 3 year old Samsung smart fridge to the dump.
They stopped making the parts to fix it after 10 months.
The dump didn't want it because it contains little that is recyclable.
Imagine this.
A fridge that can't cope with moisture, variations in temperature, vibration from doors opening & closing, the plastic cracks with the slightest thumping, and costs a fortune to buy
Bernard Sheppard
Unknown parent • • •@jsstaedtler @jackyan "Honest John's HDMI Cables":
"Why, yes, since you ask, you are connected to an HDCP compliant device".
"Yes, of course the copy protection bit is on".
"Yes, this cable does offer Ethernet over HDMI (editor's note: author couldn't be arsed looking up the correct terminology). I am sorry, it appears that when I try to resolve sony.com, I receive an NX_DOMAIN response from the authoritative server".
Phil Landmeier
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •If you're serious, I would begin my search for appliances in Latin America, where people don't buy products with nonsense features or that are not easily repairable. You'll find stoves that are just stoves. Refrigerators that are just refrigerators. It's like the 1960s but all new using the latest high-tech, high-efficiency, low power consumption compressors, etc.
There are many brands to choose from in Central and South America. Find out where they are sourced and import them.
Phil Landmeier
in reply to Phil Landmeier • • •Seems to be a fair amount of interest in this. A few seconds with a search engine would turn all this up. But if I needed to outfit a house in Guatemala again (I lived there for 15 years) I already know what I'm looking for.
Small appliance stores are common. The "big dog" is called La Curacao. They have big stores in big cities and malls down to tiny stores in tiny towns. All my experiences with them, first and second-hand, have been excellent. La Curacao is the go-to place in Guatemala if you need appliances of any kind (electrodomesticos). Best Buy is probably the closest equivalent in the U.S., except there are no tiny Best Buy stores in tiny towns.
I think we were mainly talking about refrigerators and that plain refrigerators are gone. They are not. Guatemalans, especially Guatemalan women are astute buyers. "What is this silly feature and why am I paying for it? Show me another one."
A quick look at La Curacao's web site shows plenty of ordinary refrigerators and stoves.
Here's a brand I've owned before, Cetron.
https://www.lacuracaonline.com/guatemala/refrigeradora-cetron-rcc390ovne-frost-14-ft3-439613700005/p
14 cu ft. Q4,300 or $559 USD
Type "refrigeradoras" into the search box or here's a link that should list a number of refrigerators.
https://www.lacuracaonline.com/guatemala/catalogsearch/result/?q=refrigeradoras
To convert from Q to dollars, multiply by 0.13
The following link should bring up a number of free-standing and countertop stoves.
https://www.lacuracaonline.com/guatemala/catalogsearch/result/?q=estufas
If not, type "estufas" into the search box.
You can get even better deals from small "mom and pop" appliance stores but you won't get the backup you get with La Curacao in terms of guarantees and repairs, even if you move to a different part of the country. La Curacao is everywhere so I think it's smart to buy from them.
Refrigeradora Cetron RCC390OVNE Frost 14 ft3
www.lacuracaonline.comPseudo Nym
in reply to Phil Landmeier • • •@shuttersparks
Brilliant. Thanks for the reference and link
Trouble
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •draNgNon
in reply to Trouble • • •@trouble @shuttersparks@qoto.org
lol, which border?
Trouble
in reply to draNgNon • • •Phil Landmeier
in reply to Trouble • • •It seems do-able to me but I wonder where's the catch I must be missing? What are the hurdles? I'm sure that manufacturers have set up hurdles to make what we're talking about impossible so they can protect their closed market of people who expect to pay prices that are 250-plus percent higher.
The same thing exists with pharmaceuticals and prices that are 5 to 25 times higher than the same drug in Guatemala. But the game is rigged so you can't get around it.
Trouble
in reply to Phil Landmeier • • •Phil Landmeier
in reply to Trouble • • •Yup. Although I would stop thinking about the border. I'm sure all those appliances are manufacturered in Asia, so they would arrive in perfect condition by the containerful in Los Angeles, bearing whatever names and logos you asked for.
I'm also not clear on how many USians want simple, functional stuff. We in this thread obviously do. That's why we're talking about it. And we don't care what other people think. But even here in poor West Virginia, people are very focused on having the latest snazzy stuff that's "better" than what your neighbor bought six months ago. (This is a sickness unique to the United States, I think.)
So there may not be much of a market for pure practicality, even if it's a lot cheaper and more reliable.
Trouble
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in reply to Trouble • • •Trouble
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •It's 2024 and FiiO is making a portable cassette player with all-analog features - Liliputing
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in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •"Butler's appliances: No likeness of a human mind, no remote management, just the appliances"
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Spongefile
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •The Restart Project - The Right to Repair and Reuse Your Electronics
The Restart ProjectLars Rinde
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •Holir_
in reply to Lars Rinde • • •clacke@libranet.de is my main
in reply to Holir_ • • •Isn't buying a knife and getting a screwdriver, nail file and corkscrew the opposite of the simplicity requested here?
@clacke
Holir_
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in reply to Holir_ • • •@Holir_ Ok! I learned something today. Thank you!
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Pseudo Nym
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •So that's what a Mastodon viral post feels like.
You folks are crazy and I love you.
Guess I hit a nerve with this.
Some great resources down thread, with suggestions of a few places to buy some devices like this.
Thanks all
Pseudo Nym
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •Whoa. Second wave.
Looks like @briankrebs found and boosted me.
Thanks, good sir.
Have always enjoyed your writing and #infosec insights
Hi to the new followers.
BrianKrebs
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