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So the #BureauofLaborStatistics released a #JobsReport that was not good

#Trump's solution?

Fire Dr. Erika McEntarfer, the Commissioner of Labor Statistics

This is how the #USA really dies

We're well beyond difference of opinion in #politics

We've moved into holding lies as more valuable than truth

If businesses, domestic or foreign, can't trust govt #data, they abandon #business in the USA

And they don't come back for a long time

#Trust is hard won, easily lost

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/01/trump-erika-mcentarfer-jobs-report-fired.html

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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

Its the same stupid mindset he had during the covid pandemic.

If you don't measure covid levels, they can't go up.

in reply to The Skylarker

yes

and these are but two data points in an entire culture change

"reality hurts my fee fees, so i prefer lies"

ok

for a demented, ignorant, bigoted segment of the country

but now that demented segment is running the country

destroying the country

the #USA is very sick. it's going to pay a heavy, heavy price before it ever comes back. if it ever does

#usa
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

I still feel like the most likely outcome is the breakup of the US. Slamming so many regional cultures under a single government is wishful thinking at best and a humanitarian crisis at worst.

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in reply to Neil E. Hodges

i for one am for my state new york joining canada

but of course, canada won't have us, you can't absorb something that big without it warping your own country

i feel like our current desolation is nothing but a long overdue bill for not properly subjugating the ignorance and bigotry of the south after the civil war

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@tk New York could join....just not New York City.

Which lets face it, is big enough to be a country all on its own.

in reply to Neil E. Hodges

@tk @gedvondur
I disagree, we need a bunch of different cultures to hold a country together.

It's the mindset that conformity is somehow stabilizing that got us into this mess. Conformity is relentlessly destabilizing.

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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

i hope someone is keeping a list

"#trump took a shit over here, trump took a shit over there"

and then all this time and effort cleaning up the damage, just as you say

that's all #MAGA is:

vandalism because they can't cope with reality

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It'd have to be folks outside of the government since the government is actively deleting all kinds of stuff.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

yup

and we need to keep track of all the #racist alterations to govt sites erasing contributions made to the #USA by #PoC

because "#DEI"

because "#woke"

really?

plain simple historical fact is some sort of manipulation you have to fight, you #MAGA morons?

they're the manipulators. reality hurts their feelings

#history hurts their precious precious #bigotry and #racism, so they have to erase history

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/5223544-trump-executive-order-revises-american-history/

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@CStamp @gedvondur
It is immensely easier to destroy rather than build.
Even a moron can destroy things but to build one need brain, motivation, knowledge, humility and decency, all things no magat share.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

Stalin cancelled a whole census (it reported a Soviet population decrease after the famines of the 1920s and the 1930s).
I don't recall if he sent the top people responsible for the census to prison.

@benroyce

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

*sigh*
1984 was not meant to be a guide book.
Idiocracy was not meant to be a documentary.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

This reminds way too much of what Joseph Stalin (may he suffer in hell forever) did when got some negative statistics from the soviet statistics bureau. He ordered to execute that chief of bureau as a foreign spy and saboteur.
The next bureau chief learned the lesson well and soviet official statistics were shiny since as polished five-point stars on the Kremlin towers.
in reply to Magical Cat

@koteisaev
As a teen in the 50s, my Chinese father in law read a Party newspaper story about a model farmer who had achieved a great areal corn yield. The boy did some calculations and found that the cobs would have to be about seven metres long. And he realised that the Party was lying to him. In his old age now though, he watches their propaganda TV every day.
in reply to Martin Rundkvist

it's a serious human sickness the world over. It's a greater threat to civilization than nuclear bombs, the disinfo and the fools who buy it

Social media could kill us all

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@CStamp @gedvondur

I suggest McSweeneys, which has been maintaining a rolling list of the abuses, excuses, inhumanities and overall shittiness of the Trump administration, the most recently posted (for June) being here.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/june-2025-atrocities-273-313

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@CStamp @gedvondur Substack tho https://trumptyrannytracker.substack.com/
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

You have Ukraine as a flag in your profile.. does that mean you are from Ukraine and like talking crap about America ? Or are you just talking for the likes and retweets or whatever they call them here ?
in reply to Joe

I live in New York and was born in the USA and I support Ukraine

And yes, I am on Mastodon, which is a social media where people like comments and boost them

🤣🤣🤣

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Trump is running the country like his failed front businesses. His primary source of income was and still is money laundering.
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Michael Wyman
@CStamp @gedvondur My fear is that voters will give democrats a single term chance to fix it, but then get all upset because some stuff is a generational fix voters don’t have patience for (eg foreign investments and business going elsewhere) and instead turn right back to the next fascist promising to make things great.
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CurtAdams
@cynblogger @mwyman @CStamp @gedvondur That's what I was going to say. Biden got insurance for about 10 million people, reduced hunger drastically, had the best job numbers in 60 years, the largest increase in wages for the bottom half in 60 years, first increase in manufacturing jobs in 50 years, and the largest action to reduce climate change in the history of the planet. But he didn't fix everything, so the fascist won.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@CStamp @gedvondur
But they'll never be able to hire back the years of experience that have been dissolved or fired.
in reply to CurtAdams

@CurtAdams @cynblogger @CStamp @gedvondur IF democrats get the chance, they need to go for big structural changes both to government power and for the economy, and I’m very worried most of the democrats currently making up the congressional caucuses won’t be ready to meet the moment.
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Carolyn
@mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur It is incumbent on voters to act like grownass adults. No one can be surprised at this outcome. The media seemed disinclined to promote government successes & coverage of the clown gave more ratings. But it was never difficult to learn where politicians stood on issues. Anyone who needs to be wooed by a politician instead of actively participating, deserves this.
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@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

True and I say this all the time

But the Dems need to reach more people by moving further left and getting downright nasty with #MAGA

This is a knife fight and the #Democrats act like it's a lounge party while triangulating and pushing ideological positions maximally designed to piss off the left and somehow appeal to braindead MAGA ghouls captured by Faux News who will never vote #Democrat

It's a really stupid out of touch strategy

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur The D-party seems to be wide open to a left flank attack, the mirror image of how Trump took over the R-party.

Why hasn't anyone seriously tried? Bernie looked like he might have, but he didn't?

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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

My fear is the spineless out-of-touch octogenarians in the #Democrats go "ok, we'll move a little left" and expect massive applause for their milquetoast bullshit

The left will stay unimpressed and Faux News will use such a move to go "SEE? THEY'RE COMMUNISTS! WHARGARBBL" and nothing changes

The only move to play is a full hard move left

They won't do it

So it will be imposed on them

Take over the #Democrats

The only way forward

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The Democrats need to forget about the US house and senate in 26 and focus as much as possible on down-ballot races at the state, county, and city levels. As long as Chump is president, taking the US house and senate is wasted effort.

Once Democrats hold a majority of state offices, then, and only then will they be able to take the US house, senate, and presidency back and actually wield them effectively.

@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Agreed right up until those last two lines.

If you win their primary, they will put their resources against you as an independent. Despite all their "vote blue no matter who" rhetoric, we've seen this many times.

If you take the party at a state level they will gut the place, move to the next town over, and build a NEW state democrat party. We've seen this too.

If you took them over nationally, they'd become the fresh new party with a multi-billion dollar budget while you get stuck with the baggage of all of their past mistakes.

The only thing you'll ever be able to "take over" is the name alone, and the name ain't worth shit. We do not win by pretending to be them.

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LULA

❝ President Lula’s defiance pays off as Trump blinks on Brazil tariffs
https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/brazil-president-luiz-inacio-lula-da-silva-trump-tariffs-19646368.htm

❝ Brazil's Lula says Trump tariffs 'unacceptable blackmail'
https://www.dw.com/en/brazils-lula-says-trump-tariffs-unacceptable-blackmail/a-73318638

❝ The Life and Career of Lula
Worker, prisoner, president: what the Left can learn from Lula's rise from humble childhood to becoming one of the world's most popular politicians.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/the-life-and-career-of-lula

@mastodonmigration @benroyce @CStamp @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

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How do you defeat #MAGA and #Trump?

You face them dead on and full-throated nuke bomb their #bigotry and #ignorance

#Democrats: "well firm words are scary and what about the MAGA person we might win over by being as weak as possible?"

Doesn't exist, you spineless turds

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in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

So we live in an #FPTP voting system

Are you familiar with #DuvergersLaw?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

We should have a better voting system, but we don't

So 3rd party just divides the left and guarantees more #MAGA wins

Therefore, taking over the #Democrats is the only path forward, acknowledging all of your concerns and many more you didn't write: they don't change the equation

And they are extremely weak now

Now is the time

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Lula and the sindicalistas literally went to war against the enemy within: the USA-backed dictatorship that branded them as terrorists and threw him in jail several times.

Zelensky was already a celebrity when he went into politics. politics happened to Lula as a steelworker & union organizer during one of the most brutal dictatorships in the world.

sindicalismo brasileiro paved the way to fight USA backed fascism

@benroyce @mastodonmigration @CStamp @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@grumble209 @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

3rd party dooms the left to be divided and therefore decades of maga control

we are not a parliamentary democracy nor do we have ranked choice voting

so your approach is a hard fail

i acknowledge all of your criticisms with the idea of taking over the democratic party

it is still the only valid path

did you see mamdani in new york city?

if we listen to your cynicism, that was impossible

and yet it happened

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur You can't take over the RNC or the DNC from below. You can only control them from above - from the level of the donors. That's how Trump, and Elon, did it.

Right now, 90M eligible voters don't vote, and neither party gives a shit - if they wanted voters, they'd run on widely popular policies like Medicare for All, or Green New Deal. But they don't - because widely popular policies are unacceptable to the money people.

So good luck trying to sway the DNC into better policies. You will fail, but perhaps you will learn.

Eventually, you will take the Dune approach:
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."

Fuck the DNC - fuck the lesser evil - burn it to the ground.

Then build a new populist party for social justice.

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

LOOK AT IT THIS WAY: take over the party so you can burn it to the ground. to build an antifa movement, start with obliterating all the fascists-lite hiding behind lies of centrism. it will be from dancing on their ashes that a real antifa movement will rise.

@benroyce @grumble209 @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

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Just shove the truth under the carpet, like the underperforming geopolitics, the nonfunctional tariffs, the impeachments done, the Epstein files… look its somebody else’s fault…

Truth has no relation to truth, only to his megalomaniac narcissistic ego.

What could possibly go wrong…

#uspol #trump

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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

Well we have to take over govt to change the voting system. So we are married to the putrid Democrats until we can Trojan horse them then destroy them

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GhostOnTheHalfShell

@admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

This is because the leadership the few dictate who will receive party support and who will be blacklisted if they are defied.

This is the essence of right wing political structure.

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GhostOnTheHalfShell

@admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

But I want to point out how anti-left wing, which is to say equal decision-making power advocating, the two party system is.

That system two parties is anti-democratic in the sense that it does not let other people freely form political parties in order to advance their particular interests.

Party structure itself does not have to be democratic, and both political parties by the way are very right wing internally.

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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@david42 @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur if they voted, exactly

If they didn't vote, they can go fuck themselves, they helped create this

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@grumble209 @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

@benroyce wrote:

"...nor do we have ranked choice voting
...
did you see mamdani in new york city?
if we listen to your cynicism, that was impossible
and yet it happened"

For the bulk of the country that lacks RCV, Mamdani-style leftist candidates probably *are* impossible to elect.

One needs a different example to support the thesis that actual leftists can be electorally viable in the US.

in reply to David

the idea is we show the fuck up in the primaries and the general, and get RCV when we control the govt

it's a statement against the whiny weak cynicism "life's not fair, everything sucks, i'm not going to do anything, waah, wahh" which merely creates the situation the fucking losers are complaining about

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Even the people who voted against this hellscape are suffering in it.

That suffering is a collective punishment. Collective punishment is prohibited under the Geneva Convention. And yet it happens daily.

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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

Mamdani ran as a Democrat

These 3rd party clueless toxic idealist dreams need to fucking end

It's either ignorance of Duverger's Law or outright agent provocateur trolling to help MAGA win

Take over the Democrats

They're weak

And thanks for the attacks on Mamdani as a centrist already 🤣🤣🤣

You fucking trolls, so easy to spot, with the same fucking moronic games

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SlightlyCyberpunk

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Yeah you DEFINITELY don't start at the president, that's a guaranteed loss. But state level is a whole different story.

We gotta start with states like mine -- Rhode Island. There is no "spoiler effect", we're a one party state. It's only Democrats...Democrats who are cutting healthcare, cutting transit, cutting taxes on banks while raising them for the middle class, seizing low-income housing to build police complexes...the Democrats act like Republicans, and the Republicans don't exist. Plenty of room for another party to jump into the race.

And I've got personal friends who were elected as "progressive" Democrats in this state, who served one term before getting pushed out by the party, who can talk for hours about the corruption and underhanded tactics they use to subvert democracy and keep the wealthy donors in charge.

And yes, Zohran managed a win in NYC as a Dem...but that was in spite of the party, not because of it. His campaign wasn't managed by the Democratic party, it was run by the Democratic Socialists of America. And now that he won the primary, what happened? The party establishment, the "vote blue no matter who" crowd...suddenly they want us to vote independent. Suddenly they're lining up behind Cuomo. Meanwhile, Zohran's putting DNC staffers into his campaign and now he's walking back his messaging on Palestine, walking back his messaging about fixing the criminal gangs we call "law enforcement"...we need a party that can actually hold the candidate to their positions, that has a platform and values beyond just winning at all costs and courting wealthy donors.

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

Prior month revisions have been negative ever since Trump took office. All these negative revisions point to an eroding #economy. We are heading inevitably into a #recession caused by Trump’s foolish and destructive policies. July #employment figures will probably be revised down like prior months.

#jobsreport #BLS

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in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

Can you try living in reality

Please?

We need ranked choice

Push dem candidates that support it

Show up in the primaries

Then the general

Help Rhode Island become the next Maine

Or, go 3rd party, and all that will happen is that you're working hard for a republican to win in RI

That's what you're advocating for with your current rationale

Please realize that

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Bruce Mirken
@Thumper1964 @grammasaurus I cannot "agree to disagree" with people who trying to kill my friends.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Dems will never be allowed to support it and still be Dems! They've had unilateral control over the state for decades; the party is going to do everything they can to block anything that would change that. The people have voted in "progressive" after "progressive", and all those promises start to evaporate the minute they get into office and start getting bribes, threats, and pressure from the rest of their party. People here have been trying to do what you are suggesting since before I was born. It does not work.
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

and how did we get ranked choice voting at all in the places where it exists?

do you understand you're not describing reality, you're describing your own rationale for helplessness?

do you want more ranked choice voting in more parts of the country?

i think you do

but if anyone listens to you, we never will get it

because you're creating the problem you dislike with your cynicism

cynicism is acceptance

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@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

"Anyone who needs to be wooed by a politician instead of actively participating, deserves this."

My point is that many people don't deserve what is happening to them. Yes there is plenty of work to be done.

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@david42 @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

1/3 of the country is ignorant bigots: MAGA

1/3 of the country is stressed normal individuals: they show up and hold their noses and vote democrat

and 1/3 of the country does not give a fuck if we slide into fascism

they don't vote

if a small fraction of these indolent assholes showed the fuck up, we'd avoid a huge chunk of our problems

you can't fix MAGA

so we need to focus on the inanimate fucking objects who don't vote

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@david42 @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Show up in the primaries is a good start - that might send a message to the corporate Dems that the times they are a changin'.

But you have to show up in the streets when the protests happen, even if they get spikey. Nothing like a huge mob of pissed off people for the corporate types to start having bad dreams.

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It all depends on local conditions. Either party might think ranked choice will go in their favor if the two are a bit more balanced, and then yes a strong popular campaign might tip the scales.

But ultimately we do need new parties. Or at least one new party. One structured in a way that is actually responsive to the people, not an authoritarian hierachy that only responds to their donors and those at the top. One that is actually part of the community, not just showing up once every for years to demand your vote.

To be clear, I'm not saying go run third party in swing states. That'd be a terrible call. But there *are* places where it is an option, and the time to start doing that was ages ago. Otherwise, sure we'll maybe get a few good people in, with immense effort, riding on the Trump backlash...but they'll be out as soon as things start to change. As soon as people stop feeling the need to continue that immense effort the money will regain control. We cannot create lasting change under the existing party structures, and we cannot change those structures at a national level fast enough.

I am not the cynic. You are the one insisting that the two parties cannot change. Despite the fact that they have changed before.

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in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

"But ultimately we do need new parties"

so you work in our debilitating bullshit FPTP system and get candidates that support that and mob the primaries and get RCV

then with RCV you are finally free of dreary strategy and can freely vote your conscience and have all the parties you want

but

if you go for 3rd party *first*

while we're still FPTP

you divide the left and help MAGA win

in reply to SouprMatt

yes Alaska got RCV with GOP support

and guess what happened?

GOP leadership noticed

the GOP knows they win by voter suppression, not by giving voters more choices

and so:

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans

RCV in Alaska with GOP help was a one-and-done

the only way forward for RCV now is through the democrats

mob the primaries

get in dem candidates that support RCV, and then hold them to it

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in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

if you throw another party from the left into RI, some of that light blue will fade into red

before we get RCV, all another party on the left will do is help MAGA win

please realize this

we take over the dems

it's the only way forward

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in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

like mamdani

who ran as a *democrat*

this is the only way:

take over the dem party from within

if you throw up an independent vs a democrat, they divide each other's votes, and then GOP swoops in and wins

why do you not understand this?

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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur My point was that it can be done ANYWHERE.

It is much more doable than the pipe dream of “we need new parties” …

Which, as you said… can realistically ONLY happen after RCV.

Voters really like RCV. It’s the incumbents (mainly GOP) that dislike it.

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@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

you made this post:

https://mastodon.social/@admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com/114957211683269362

so take the two 50-60% areas

so the other % was mostly GOP correct?

do you understand?

let's break it down for you if you don't:

let's assume a light blue area was 60% harris, 40% trump

harris wins

but no, you want a new left party

ok

so now the vote is 30% harris, 30% new person, 40% trump

in our stupid FPTP system, trump wins

do you understand?

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

Sure. What about a district that's 63-32? It ain't gonna split 50-50. Or one that's 98-2?? We have those here.

Look man, I spend my weekends going door-to-door talking to people here about this shit. We get high-fives, we get "I've been waiting for someone to do this!", and we get a hell of a lot of "I don't vote"s that turn into "where can I learn more?" I can probably count on one hand the number of people who were absolutely against it. The majority of Americans don't even bother to show up on election day because they don't see anyone running that actually represents their interests. They're used to both parties promising the world and never delivering. You knock on that door as just another Dem making promises and asking for a vote, you aren't gonna get very far. People want to see something different, something they can actually be a part of. It's time we make that happen.

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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

careful, i'm from connecticut

we love the li'l rhodie

we need a buddy to hate massholes together 🤭

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in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur If RI decided federal elections, you'd have a point.

If you'd prefer your little dot of a state be wiped off the map, there's a party that's currently in power that would be happy to do so.

in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

look, it's very simple:

you divide the left, GOP wins, in our stupid FPTP system

all that your hard work amounts to is helping MAGA, because of our stupid FPTP voting system

that's the reality

be mad at that all you want, but that is the hard cold reality, and there is no choice for you except to accept it

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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

The best way to help third parties actually get power is to join the majority party that is more likely to implement reforms, then PUSH from inside. Show up to Democrats primaries and ask them if they support reforms.

Someday, maybe in our lifetimes, we will have PR, and meaningful multi-party coalitions. Not today. Use the tools you have now. But Get In The Primary. That’s where you get better choices in November.

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur If RCV is so important...that doesn't come from the President, that doesn't come from the federal congress. You're looking at the wrong races. The districts we need to change for that are the ones that are voting 98% for some corporate shill Democrat. Giving them an opponent on their left isn't gonna make things any worse.
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

if you can guarantee it's 98%

which is how many districts?

or work in the party and get more good candidates, who are the same as the magic independents you want, just with a dem label, taking over the party

and they can win more broadly, more districts. rather than the one independent who has no chance to prevail

do it *like mamdani did*

but you called mamdani a centrist which is a fucking ignorant lie

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@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

Have you driven by that house that the road had to go around in Shrewsbury? I clipped it with my passenger's side mirror....

How's Hampton Beach these days?

BTW, if RISDI wasn't a collection of actual elitist assholes that have had no small hand in driving up tuition prices, I might disown my Worcester (OK Auburn) HS diploma. Might anyway--it hasn't served me well.

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

I never called Mamdani a centrist; I was pointing out that his own party is actively working against him. Time will tell how effective they will be with those efforts, but I think he could do a lot better if he had a party that actually supported him. I also think the fact that he has national media attention is probably helping him stay strong and giving him support that others would never have. (Although on that last point, runnnig outside the party might help. Sawant gets a hell of a lot of attention for a city council member!)

The problem with "just elect better Democrats" is their policies typically start to change once they get into office. Especially in "safe" districts. You keep the party happy, you've got a secure seat as long as you want it. You piss them off, suddenly you've got no party support and a well-funded opponent running against you in your next primary. Then you tell yourself you can't make things better if you get voted out, so you cut some deals and you take what's offered and you do what the establishment tells you to do. We've seen this play out over and over with Democrats that we endorsed in the past. You build a coalition that puts in thousands of hours helping them get elected and then the party gets their ear and they never talk to you again.

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@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

"but I think he could do a lot better if he had a party that actually supported him"

1. he would never get elected with another party

2. we can change the dems if we get more mamdanis

the centrists are not omnipotent alien beings

in fact, they're fucking weak

now is the time to take them over

and as i said to you, time and time again:

3rd party, before we get RCV, only divides the left and helps GOP win

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@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur I'm really pretty convinced the old trope of rich, educated Democrats who tend to support arts orgs is supported knowingly by Republicans, and unwittingly by RISDI snobs. it's really sad that people are sucking that up over actually reading policy/legislation.

Sorry about the roomate. I hope the flashback was better!

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@david42 @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur I'm trying to retain hope in Democratic processes, but I'm afraid we're not going to get off so easily. https://c.im/@msbellows/114079098487442358
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

Yeah, Bernie is a great example. He's been holding office as an independent for like fifty years now. But he needs a broader organization behind him and more politicians actually working for the people to work with him. And he ain't gonna be around much longer. Someone's gotta pick up that torch.

If you keep telling politicians that they are nothing without the Democratic party, then they will keep bending over backwards to keep the favor of the party establishment. Elect them as an independent and there's nobody to serve but the people of their district.

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@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur

"If you keep telling politicians that they are nothing without the Democratic party"

I said to take over the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is not a magical demon device that corrupts souls. It's an empty vessel. Fill it with whatever we want

And I am only proposing this because its the only way with our stupid FPTP system. I don't like it. But I accept it because it is our unfortunate reality

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Yeah, it's not a magical entity, it's a private club of billionaires. Leftists did take over the entire state party in Nevada not too long ago, it lasted two years before the national managed to boot them all out again. The only way to do that effectively would be to take over the entire national org in one go. If we have the power to do that, we have the power to skip the middle-man and just put a damn socialist in the White House directly!

There's not even any mechanism to do that really. It's not a democratic organization. The only people who get a vote in party leadership at the national level are the members of the existing party leadership!

in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

And what is Mamdani doing?

Smh

We can listen to you, and just give the fuck up

No wait worse: go 3rd party and divide the left to guarantee MAGA wins

Or we could take the party over

No wait: we can't do that because magic billionaire vampires of infinite power

Da fuq

Do you understand the problem is *your* self-defeatist cynical attitude?

Maybe I'm wrong

But I'm taking the shot

You already gave up

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What am I doing? Talking to people who tried your way, learning what stopped them, and building solutions. Knocking doors, writing code, hosting community events..for two years so far. Walking picket lines and helping to keep striking workers fed and housed and in good spirits, mobilizing against ICE deportations, organizing a movement that got 30% of the city to vote against Genocide Joe in the primary even though he was the only motherfucker running. Educating people how to unionize and organize, then bringing those unions together to talk about class solidality. Holding events to teach everything from Marxist organizing to the class dynamics of the AI boom to the failures of the American "healthcare" system. Most days I put a few hours into this shit, and have been for a couple years now. I am FAR from defeatist, and couldn't be further from giving up. I am working within my community to make change starting in my community. What is your plan and what are you doing to change the entire nation?
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in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk

If you're doing all that for a 3rd party candidate all that you are achieving is helping MAGA win

Your heart is in the right place

Now you gotta think about the unfortunate reality of our broken system

Heart and mind

Mind without heart is savvy but weak

Heart without mind is strong but lost

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@GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur MAGA didn't win because of a third party, MAGA won because the Dems installed, without a vote, a candidate that couldn't even win their own primary.

But more importantly...MAGA only exists in the first place because we have no community, no class consciousness, no organized labor...And if you're gonna run an independent candidate that serves the people, you gotta fix that first. So that's all a huge part of what we're trying to do too.

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Classic Kill The Messenger or anyone who tells the truth when it “interferes with my bankrupt schemes of self grandeur.” 🧟‍♂️
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

because we can judge the fight for the nation by the weird rare districts?

if you want to self-select for obscurity go right ahead

but don't assert that has any domain over the real path to meaningful change

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@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur I think Americans read too much into Duverger's law. It doesn't require there to only be two parties on the national level. There are a lot of countries with FPTP that elect more than two parties to the legislature on a regular basis.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

mastodon is a hangout

sometimes it's just nice to chat

even though you already know the radioactively obvious, and you are completely aware of the stubborn foolish self-selection for impotency before you

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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

yes he saw the future well

and that didn't change anything

the change has to be us

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This will never get normal.

Elect a felon, expect a crime...

Grim times ahead. How much will the people be able to take. The incompetence and the authoritarian tendencies of this christo-fascist bunch should be fully clear by now, even for those blind to it.

The mid-terms will be a watershed moment...

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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@CStamp @Huntn00 @gedvondur

Huntn00:

all there is in this world is the good fight. whether being led to concentration camps or voting in free and fair elections or anything in between

there is no meaning in lamenting the bullshit in front of us

there's only smiling at it and engaging

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Carolyn
@Huntn00 @gedvondur Ben & others have given great advice & thoughts and if folk want to argue about how they think voting is pointless, well, I am just too exhausted by people giving excuses to just shrug their shoulders.
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Huntn00
@CStamp @gedvondur Wow, that’s awful advise. 😚
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Carolyn
@Huntn00 @gedvondur Well, then, just roll over and keep whining. The people who care to fight and resist won’t care about your opinion because it means nothing.
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Huntn00
@CStamp @gedvondur The Elephant in the room? Capitalism will, is devouring us, is there any real debate about this? The real problem here is that a lot of us admire ‘The rich guys’, want to be them and can’t see the forest for the trees. We’re on the menu.
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I'll have you know that this was headline news in the Netherlands.
Don't know how US media treated it, but here it was pretty big.
With the comment of course that it undermines trust....
The US doesn't really produce bananas, so banana republic doesn't really fit, but y'all are well underway.
*Edited for autocorrupt mishap.
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in reply to Menno

This article was most viewed yesterday, on the Dutch news site nu.nl

Trump ontslaat hoofd statistiekbureau en zegt dat cijfers 'gemanipuleerd' zijn https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/6364451/trump-ontslaat-hoofd-statistiekbureau-en-zegt-dat-cijfers-gemanipuleerd-zijn.html

in reply to Menno

of all the bullshit, this firing of the head of the labor statistics bureau could be the one that breaks the camel's back

in terms of business reputation

and without that...

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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

Dunno. I've heard that argument a while bunch of times ago. Tarifs, talking down the dollar, trying to fire Powell, etc
By now that camel is carrying a whole extra bale of hay and no real sign of it actually breaking.