So the #BureauofLaborStatistics released a #JobsReport that was not good
#Trump's solution?
Fire Dr. Erika McEntarfer, the Commissioner of Labor Statistics
This is how the #USA really dies
We're well beyond difference of opinion in #politics
We've moved into holding lies as more valuable than truth
If businesses, domestic or foreign, can't trust govt #data, they abandon #business in the USA
And they don't come back for a long time
#Trust is hard won, easily lost
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/01/trump-erika-mcentarfer-jobs-report-fired.html
Trump fires commissioner of labor statistics after weaker-than-expected jobs figures slam markets
Trump accused BLS Commissioner Erika McEntarfer of being a political appointee who was manipulating jobs data.Jeff Cox (CNBC)
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Its the same stupid mindset he had during the covid pandemic.
If you don't measure covid levels, they can't go up.
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in reply to The Skylarker • • •yes
and these are but two data points in an entire culture change
"reality hurts my fee fees, so i prefer lies"
ok
for a demented, ignorant, bigoted segment of the country
but now that demented segment is running the country
destroying the country
the #USA is very sick. it's going to pay a heavy, heavy price before it ever comes back. if it ever does
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in reply to Neil E. Hodges • • •i for one am for my state new york joining canada
but of course, canada won't have us, you can't absorb something that big without it warping your own country
i feel like our current desolation is nothing but a long overdue bill for not properly subjugating the ignorance and bigotry of the south after the civil war
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@tk New York could join....just not New York City.
Which lets face it, is big enough to be a country all on its own.
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in reply to Neil E. Hodges • • •@tk @gedvondur
I disagree, we need a bunch of different cultures to hold a country together.
It's the mindset that conformity is somehow stabilizing that got us into this mess. Conformity is relentlessly destabilizing.
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Unknown parent • • •i hope someone is keeping a list
"#trump took a shit over here, trump took a shit over there"
and then all this time and effort cleaning up the damage, just as you say
that's all #MAGA is:
vandalism because they can't cope with reality
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Unknown parent • • •yup
and we need to keep track of all the #racist alterations to govt sites erasing contributions made to the #USA by #PoC
because "#DEI"
because "#woke"
really?
plain simple historical fact is some sort of manipulation you have to fight, you #MAGA morons?
they're the manipulators. reality hurts their feelings
#history hurts their precious precious #bigotry and #racism, so they have to erase history
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/5223544-trump-executive-order-revises-american-history/
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •It is immensely easier to destroy rather than build.
Even a moron can destroy things but to build one need brain, motivation, knowledge, humility and decency, all things no magat share.
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Vassil Nikolov | Васил Николов
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Stalin cancelled a whole census (it reported a Soviet population decrease after the famines of the 1920s and the 1930s).
I don't recall if he sent the top people responsible for the census to prison.
@benroyce
Pelican Dock Music
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •💀 𝓕airchild 💀
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •1984 was not meant to be a guide book.
Idiocracy was not meant to be a documentary.
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •The next bureau chief learned the lesson well and soviet official statistics were shiny since as polished five-point stars on the Kremlin towers.
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Martin Rundkvist
in reply to Magical Cat • • •As a teen in the 50s, my Chinese father in law read a Party newspaper story about a model farmer who had achieved a great areal corn yield. The boy did some calculations and found that the cobs would have to be about seven metres long. And he realised that the Party was lying to him. In his old age now though, he watches their propaganda TV every day.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Martin Rundkvist • • •it's a serious human sickness the world over. It's a greater threat to civilization than nuclear bombs, the disinfo and the fools who buy it
Social media could kill us all
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Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@CStamp @gedvondur
I suggest McSweeneys, which has been maintaining a rolling list of the abuses, excuses, inhumanities and overall shittiness of the Trump administration, the most recently posted (for June) being here.
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/june-2025-atrocities-273-313
Lest We Forget the Horrors: An Unending Catalog of Trump’s Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, and Crimes: June 2025: Atrocities 273-313
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Trump Tyranny Tracker | Olga Lautman | Substack
trumptyrannytracker.substack.comJoe
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Joe • • •I live in New York and was born in the USA and I support Ukraine
And yes, I am on Mastodon, which is a social media where people like comments and boost them
🤣🤣🤣
Randall Lee
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Michael Wyman
Unknown parent • • •CurtAdams
Unknown parent • • •CynBlogger™️Resists Tyranny!
in reply to Michael Wyman • • •EXACTLY what happened in 2020 & 2024!
bwaz
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •But they'll never be able to hire back the years of experience that have been dissolved or fired.
Michael Wyman
in reply to CurtAdams • • •Carolyn
Unknown parent • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Carolyn • • •@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
True and I say this all the time
But the Dems need to reach more people by moving further left and getting downright nasty with #MAGA
This is a knife fight and the #Democrats act like it's a lounge party while triangulating and pushing ideological positions maximally designed to piss off the left and somehow appeal to braindead MAGA ghouls captured by Faux News who will never vote #Democrat
It's a really stupid out of touch strategy
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mike805
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur The D-party seems to be wide open to a left flank attack, the mirror image of how Trump took over the R-party.
Why hasn't anyone seriously tried? Bernie looked like he might have, but he didn't?
Galad
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •My fear is the spineless out-of-touch octogenarians in the #Democrats go "ok, we'll move a little left" and expect massive applause for their milquetoast bullshit
The left will stay unimpressed and Faux News will use such a move to go "SEE? THEY'RE COMMUNISTS! WHARGARBBL" and nothing changes
The only move to play is a full hard move left
They won't do it
So it will be imposed on them
Take over the #Democrats
The only way forward
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James Wells
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •The Democrats need to forget about the US house and senate in 26 and focus as much as possible on down-ballot races at the state, county, and city levels. As long as Chump is president, taking the US house and senate is wasted effort.
Once Democrats hold a majority of state offices, then, and only then will they be able to take the US house, senate, and presidency back and actually wield them effectively.
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SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Agreed right up until those last two lines.
If you win their primary, they will put their resources against you as an independent. Despite all their "vote blue no matter who" rhetoric, we've seen this many times.
If you take the party at a state level they will gut the place, move to the next town over, and build a NEW state democrat party. We've seen this too.
If you took them over nationally, they'd become the fresh new party with a multi-billion dollar budget while you get stuck with the baggage of all of their past mistakes.
The only thing you'll ever be able to "take over" is the name alone, and the name ain't worth shit. We do not win by pretending to be them.
your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦
Unknown parent • • •LULA
❝ President Lula’s defiance pays off as Trump blinks on Brazil tariffs
https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/brazil-president-luiz-inacio-lula-da-silva-trump-tariffs-19646368.htm
❝ Brazil's Lula says Trump tariffs 'unacceptable blackmail'
https://www.dw.com/en/brazils-lula-says-trump-tariffs-unacceptable-blackmail/a-73318638
❝ The Life and Career of Lula
Worker, prisoner, president: what the Left can learn from Lula's rise from humble childhood to becoming one of the world's most popular politicians.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/the-life-and-career-of-lula
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The Life and Career of Lula
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •How do you defeat #MAGA and #Trump?
You face them dead on and full-throated nuke bomb their #bigotry and #ignorance
#Democrats: "well firm words are scary and what about the MAGA person we might win over by being as weak as possible?"
Doesn't exist, you spineless turds
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in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •So we live in an #FPTP voting system
Are you familiar with #DuvergersLaw?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
We should have a better voting system, but we don't
So 3rd party just divides the left and guarantees more #MAGA wins
Therefore, taking over the #Democrats is the only path forward, acknowledging all of your concerns and many more you didn't write: they don't change the equation
And they are extremely weak now
Now is the time
principle in political science
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your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Lula and the sindicalistas literally went to war against the enemy within: the USA-backed dictatorship that branded them as terrorists and threw him in jail several times.
Zelensky was already a celebrity when he went into politics. politics happened to Lula as a steelworker & union organizer during one of the most brutal dictatorships in the world.
sindicalismo brasileiro paved the way to fight USA backed fascism
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Unknown parent • • •@grumble209 @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
3rd party dooms the left to be divided and therefore decades of maga control
we are not a parliamentary democracy nor do we have ranked choice voting
so your approach is a hard fail
i acknowledge all of your criticisms with the idea of taking over the democratic party
it is still the only valid path
did you see mamdani in new york city?
if we listen to your cynicism, that was impossible
and yet it happened
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur You can't take over the RNC or the DNC from below. You can only control them from above - from the level of the donors. That's how Trump, and Elon, did it.
Right now, 90M eligible voters don't vote, and neither party gives a shit - if they wanted voters, they'd run on widely popular policies like Medicare for All, or Green New Deal. But they don't - because widely popular policies are unacceptable to the money people.
So good luck trying to sway the DNC into better policies. You will fail, but perhaps you will learn.
Eventually, you will take the Dune approach:
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
Fuck the DNC - fuck the lesser evil - burn it to the ground.
Then build a new populist party for social justice.
your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •LOOK AT IT THIS WAY: take over the party so you can burn it to the ground. to build an antifa movement, start with obliterating all the fascists-lite hiding behind lies of centrism. it will be from dancing on their ashes that a real antifa movement will rise.
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in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •@blogdiva @grumble209 @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
LISTEN TO YOUR AUNTIFA
liza knows best
burning things to the ground is fun, and even more fun from within
xs4me2
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Just shove the truth under the carpet, like the underperforming geopolitics, the nonfunctional tariffs, the impeachments done, the Epstein files… look its somebody else’s fault…
Truth has no relation to truth, only to his megalomaniac narcissistic ego.
What could possibly go wrong…
#uspol #trump
𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •🐔 won by offering the voters nothing but racism. It is all he has, but it was all he needed.
How do we nuke the racism out of 77 million Trump voters?
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Unknown parent • • •@GhostOnTheHalfShell @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
Well we have to take over govt to change the voting system. So we are married to the putrid Democrats until we can Trojan horse them then destroy them
GhostOnTheHalfShell
Unknown parent • • •@admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
This is because the leadership the few dictate who will receive party support and who will be blacklisted if they are defied.
This is the essence of right wing political structure.
GhostOnTheHalfShell
Unknown parent • • •@admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
But I want to point out how anti-left wing, which is to say equal decision-making power advocating, the two party system is.
That system two parties is anti-democratic in the sense that it does not let other people freely form political parties in order to advance their particular interests.
Party structure itself does not have to be democratic, and both political parties by the way are very right wing internally.
David
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to 𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤 • • •@andytiedye @blogdiva @mastodonmigration @CStamp @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
we don't
we ignore that third
We take the dem base third and we draw upon enough of the nonvoting third by something genuinely compelling and further left. not a teensy bit left, hardcore lurch left
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in reply to David • • •@david42 @grumble209 @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
And he's going to win the mayorship
Have you seen the polls?
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •@david42 @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur if they voted, exactly
If they didn't vote, they can go fuck themselves, they helped create this
David
in reply to Carolyn • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •@CStamp @david42 @grumble209 @admin @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
Well yeah but what I'm saying is #Mamdani is way ahead in the polls. I'm not nullifying your point, I'm saying it's looking really good
When people show up and #vote, good things happen
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/new-york-playbook-pm/2025/07/29/zohran-dominates-in-new-poll-00481956
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@grumble209 @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
@benroyce wrote:
"...nor do we have ranked choice voting
...
did you see mamdani in new york city?
if we listen to your cynicism, that was impossible
and yet it happened"
For the bulk of the country that lacks RCV, Mamdani-style leftist candidates probably *are* impossible to elect.
One needs a different example to support the thesis that actual leftists can be electorally viable in the US.
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in reply to David • • •the idea is we show the fuck up in the primaries and the general, and get RCV when we control the govt
it's a statement against the whiny weak cynicism "life's not fair, everything sucks, i'm not going to do anything, waah, wahh" which merely creates the situation the fucking losers are complaining about
you miss 100% of the shots you don't take
David
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Even the people who voted against this hellscape are suffering in it.
That suffering is a collective punishment. Collective punishment is prohibited under the Geneva Convention. And yet it happens daily.
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in reply to David • • •@david42 @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
And?
You have problems, you fix them
What is the point of resignation except weak spineless acceptance
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Unknown parent • • •@GhostOnTheHalfShell @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
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Unknown parent • • •Mamdani ran as a Democrat
These 3rd party clueless toxic idealist dreams need to fucking end
It's either ignorance of Duverger's Law or outright agent provocateur trolling to help MAGA win
Take over the Democrats
They're weak
And thanks for the attacks on Mamdani as a centrist already 🤣🤣🤣
You fucking trolls, so easy to spot, with the same fucking moronic games
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SlightlyCyberpunk
Unknown parent • • •@GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Yeah you DEFINITELY don't start at the president, that's a guaranteed loss. But state level is a whole different story.
We gotta start with states like mine -- Rhode Island. There is no "spoiler effect", we're a one party state. It's only Democrats...Democrats who are cutting healthcare, cutting transit, cutting taxes on banks while raising them for the middle class, seizing low-income housing to build police complexes...the Democrats act like Republicans, and the Republicans don't exist. Plenty of room for another party to jump into the race.
And I've got personal friends who were elected as "progressive" Democrats in this state, who served one term before getting pushed out by the party, who can talk for hours about the corruption and underhanded tactics they use to subvert democracy and keep the wealthy donors in charge.
And yes, Zohran managed a win in NYC as a Dem...but that was in spite of the party, not because of it. His campaign wasn't managed by the Democratic party, it was run by the Democratic Socialists of America. And now that he won the primary, what happened? The party establishment, the "vote blue no matter who" crowd...suddenly they want us to vote independent. Suddenly they're lining up behind Cuomo. Meanwhile, Zohran's putting DNC staffers into his campaign and now he's walking back his messaging on Palestine, walking back his messaging about fixing the criminal gangs we call "law enforcement"...we need a party that can actually hold the candidate to their positions, that has a platform and values beyond just winning at all costs and courting wealthy donors.
Bohemian Peasant
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Prior month revisions have been negative ever since Trump took office. All these negative revisions point to an eroding #economy. We are heading inevitably into a #recession caused by Trump’s foolish and destructive policies. July #employment figures will probably be revised down like prior months.
#jobsreport #BLS
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •Can you try living in reality
Please?
We need ranked choice
Push dem candidates that support it
Show up in the primaries
Then the general
Help Rhode Island become the next Maine
Or, go 3rd party, and all that will happen is that you're working hard for a republican to win in RI
That's what you're advocating for with your current rationale
Please realize that
Bruce Mirken
Unknown parent • • •SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •and how did we get ranked choice voting at all in the places where it exists?
do you understand you're not describing reality, you're describing your own rationale for helplessness?
do you want more ranked choice voting in more parts of the country?
i think you do
but if anyone listens to you, we never will get it
because you're creating the problem you dislike with your cynicism
cynicism is acceptance
Tim Ruppert
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •David
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •David
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
"Anyone who needs to be wooed by a politician instead of actively participating, deserves this."
My point is that many people don't deserve what is happening to them. Yes there is plenty of work to be done.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to David • • •@david42 @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
1/3 of the country is ignorant bigots: MAGA
1/3 of the country is stressed normal individuals: they show up and hold their noses and vote democrat
and 1/3 of the country does not give a fuck if we slide into fascism
they don't vote
if a small fraction of these indolent assholes showed the fuck up, we'd avoid a huge chunk of our problems
you can't fix MAGA
so we need to focus on the inanimate fucking objects who don't vote
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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@david42 @admin @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Show up in the primaries is a good start - that might send a message to the corporate Dems that the times they are a changin'.
But you have to show up in the streets when the protests happen, even if they get spikey. Nothing like a huge mob of pissed off people for the corporate types to start having bad dreams.
SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •It all depends on local conditions. Either party might think ranked choice will go in their favor if the two are a bit more balanced, and then yes a strong popular campaign might tip the scales.
But ultimately we do need new parties. Or at least one new party. One structured in a way that is actually responsive to the people, not an authoritarian hierachy that only responds to their donors and those at the top. One that is actually part of the community, not just showing up once every for years to demand your vote.
To be clear, I'm not saying go run third party in swing states. That'd be a terrible call. But there *are* places where it is an option, and the time to start doing that was ages ago. Otherwise, sure we'll maybe get a few good people in, with immense effort, riding on the Trump backlash...but they'll be out as soon as things start to change. As soon as people stop feeling the need to continue that immense effort the money will regain control. We cannot create lasting change under the existing party structures, and we cannot change those structures at a national level fast enough.
I am not the cynic. You are the one insisting that the two parties cannot change. Despite the fact that they have changed before.
SouprMatt
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
"But ultimately we do need new parties"
so you work in our debilitating bullshit FPTP system and get candidates that support that and mob the primaries and get RCV
then with RCV you are finally free of dreary strategy and can freely vote your conscience and have all the parties you want
but
if you go for 3rd party *first*
while we're still FPTP
you divide the left and help MAGA win
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SouprMatt • • •yes Alaska got RCV with GOP support
and guess what happened?
GOP leadership noticed
the GOP knows they win by voter suppression, not by giving voters more choices
and so:
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans
RCV in Alaska with GOP help was a one-and-done
the only way forward for RCV now is through the democrats
mob the primaries
get in dem candidates that support RCV, and then hold them to it
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SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •if you throw another party from the left into RI, some of that light blue will fade into red
before we get RCV, all another party on the left will do is help MAGA win
please realize this
we take over the dems
it's the only way forward
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •like mamdani
who ran as a *democrat*
this is the only way:
take over the dem party from within
if you throw up an independent vs a democrat, they divide each other's votes, and then GOP swoops in and wins
why do you not understand this?
SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •SouprMatt
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur My point was that it can be done ANYWHERE.
It is much more doable than the pipe dream of “we need new parties” …
Which, as you said… can realistically ONLY happen after RCV.
Voters really like RCV. It’s the incumbents (mainly GOP) that dislike it.
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Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SouprMatt • • •@mls14 @admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
💪 😤
well said and agreed
and apologies, i wasn't arguing in opposition to your words, i was more using them as a jumping off point to riff on your words
SouprMatt
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
you made this post:
https://mastodon.social/@admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com/114957211683269362
so take the two 50-60% areas
so the other % was mostly GOP correct?
do you understand?
let's break it down for you if you don't:
let's assume a light blue area was 60% harris, 40% trump
harris wins
but no, you want a new left party
ok
so now the vote is 30% harris, 30% new person, 40% trump
in our stupid FPTP system, trump wins
do you understand?
SlightlyCyberpunk
2025-08-02 04:10:41
SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Sure. What about a district that's 63-32? It ain't gonna split 50-50. Or one that's 98-2?? We have those here.
Look man, I spend my weekends going door-to-door talking to people here about this shit. We get high-fives, we get "I've been waiting for someone to do this!", and we get a hell of a lot of "I don't vote"s that turn into "where can I learn more?" I can probably count on one hand the number of people who were absolutely against it. The majority of Americans don't even bother to show up on election day because they don't see anyone running that actually represents their interests. They're used to both parties promising the world and never delivering. You knock on that door as just another Dem making promises and asking for a vote, you aren't gonna get very far. People want to see something different, something they can actually be a part of. It's time we make that happen.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •careful, i'm from connecticut
we love the li'l rhodie
we need a buddy to hate massholes together 🤭
Janis
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur If RI decided federal elections, you'd have a point.
If you'd prefer your little dot of a state be wiped off the map, there's a party that's currently in power that would be happy to do so.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
look, it's very simple:
you divide the left, GOP wins, in our stupid FPTP system
all that your hard work amounts to is helping MAGA, because of our stupid FPTP voting system
that's the reality
be mad at that all you want, but that is the hard cold reality, and there is no choice for you except to accept it
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •@nekodojo
solid gold comment
Nekodojo
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •The best way to help third parties actually get power is to join the majority party that is more likely to implement reforms, then PUSH from inside. Show up to Democrats primaries and ask them if they support reforms.
Someday, maybe in our lifetimes, we will have PR, and meaningful multi-party coalitions. Not today. Use the tools you have now. But Get In The Primary. That’s where you get better choices in November.
SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •if you can guarantee it's 98%
which is how many districts?
or work in the party and get more good candidates, who are the same as the magic independents you want, just with a dem label, taking over the party
and they can win more broadly, more districts. rather than the one independent who has no chance to prevail
do it *like mamdani did*
but you called mamdani a centrist which is a fucking ignorant lie
Janis
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
Have you driven by that house that the road had to go around in Shrewsbury? I clipped it with my passenger's side mirror....
How's Hampton Beach these days?
BTW, if RISDI wasn't a collection of actual elitist assholes that have had no small hand in driving up tuition prices, I might disown my Worcester (OK Auburn) HS diploma. Might anyway--it hasn't served me well.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Janis • • •@janisf @admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
🤣 🤣 🤣
you just gave me a flashback
i roomed with a RISDI grad in brooklyn for a bit. she was annoying af
M.S. Bellows, Jr.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to M.S. Bellows, Jr. • • •@msbellows @david42 @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
your theoretical problem is valid, but more pressing is our actual problem. which gave us a fascist
SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •I never called Mamdani a centrist; I was pointing out that his own party is actively working against him. Time will tell how effective they will be with those efforts, but I think he could do a lot better if he had a party that actually supported him. I also think the fact that he has national media attention is probably helping him stay strong and giving him support that others would never have. (Although on that last point, runnnig outside the party might help. Sawant gets a hell of a lot of attention for a city council member!)
The problem with "just elect better Democrats" is their policies typically start to change once they get into office. Especially in "safe" districts. You keep the party happy, you've got a secure seat as long as you want it. You piss them off, suddenly you've got no party support and a well-funded opponent running against you in your next primary. Then you tell yourself you can't make things better if you get voted out, so you cut some deals and you take what's offered and you do what the establishment tells you to do. We've seen this play out over and over with Democrats that we endorsed in the past. You build a coalition that puts in thousands of hours helping them get elected and then the party gets their ear and they never talk to you again.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
"but I think he could do a lot better if he had a party that actually supported him"
1. he would never get elected with another party
2. we can change the dems if we get more mamdanis
the centrists are not omnipotent alien beings
in fact, they're fucking weak
now is the time to take them over
and as i said to you, time and time again:
3rd party, before we get RCV, only divides the left and helps GOP win
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
"their policies typically start to change once they get into office"
tell that to bernie
Janis
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur I'm really pretty convinced the old trope of rich, educated Democrats who tend to support arts orgs is supported knowingly by Republicans, and unwittingly by RISDI snobs. it's really sad that people are sucking that up over actually reading policy/legislation.
Sorry about the roomate. I hope the flashback was better!
M.S. Bellows, Jr.
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •M.S. Bellows, Jr. (@msbellows@c.im)
C.IMSlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Yeah, Bernie is a great example. He's been holding office as an independent for like fifty years now. But he needs a broader organization behind him and more politicians actually working for the people to work with him. And he ain't gonna be around much longer. Someone's gotta pick up that torch.
If you keep telling politicians that they are nothing without the Democratic party, then they will keep bending over backwards to keep the favor of the party establishment. Elect them as an independent and there's nobody to serve but the people of their district.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
"If you keep telling politicians that they are nothing without the Democratic party"
I said to take over the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is not a magical demon device that corrupts souls. It's an empty vessel. Fill it with whatever we want
And I am only proposing this because its the only way with our stupid FPTP system. I don't like it. But I accept it because it is our unfortunate reality
SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur Yeah, it's not a magical entity, it's a private club of billionaires. Leftists did take over the entire state party in Nevada not too long ago, it lasted two years before the national managed to boot them all out again. The only way to do that effectively would be to take over the entire national org in one go. If we have the power to do that, we have the power to skip the middle-man and just put a damn socialist in the White House directly!
There's not even any mechanism to do that really. It's not a democratic organization. The only people who get a vote in party leadership at the national level are the members of the existing party leadership!
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •And what is Mamdani doing?
Smh
We can listen to you, and just give the fuck up
No wait worse: go 3rd party and divide the left to guarantee MAGA wins
Or we could take the party over
No wait: we can't do that because magic billionaire vampires of infinite power
Da fuq
Do you understand the problem is *your* self-defeatist cynical attitude?
Maybe I'm wrong
But I'm taking the shot
You already gave up
SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •If you're doing all that for a 3rd party candidate all that you are achieving is helping MAGA win
Your heart is in the right place
Now you gotta think about the unfortunate reality of our broken system
Heart and mind
Mind without heart is savvy but weak
Heart without mind is strong but lost
SlightlyCyberpunk
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur MAGA didn't win because of a third party, MAGA won because the Dems installed, without a vote, a candidate that couldn't even win their own primary.
But more importantly...MAGA only exists in the first place because we have no community, no class consciousness, no organized labor...And if you're gonna run an independent candidate that serves the people, you gotta fix that first. So that's all a huge part of what we're trying to do too.
notsoloud
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •@admin @GhostOnTheHalfShell @CStamp @mastodonmigration @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
Huntn00
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Vassil Nikolov | Васил Николов
in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •If you can find the time, see also the life and achievements of Lech Walesa of Poland.
It took Solidarity about a decade, but they won.
@blogdiva @mastodonmigration @benroyce @CStamp @cynblogger @mwyman @gedvondur
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •because we can judge the fight for the nation by the weird rare districts?
if you want to self-select for obscurity go right ahead
but don't assert that has any domain over the real path to meaningful change
Bernie Thankfully Does It
in reply to SlightlyCyberpunk • • •Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •mastodon is a hangout
sometimes it's just nice to chat
even though you already know the radioactively obvious, and you are completely aware of the stubborn foolish self-selection for impotency before you
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •yes he saw the future well
and that didn't change anything
the change has to be us
xs4me2
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •This will never get normal.
Elect a felon, expect a crime...
Grim times ahead. How much will the people be able to take. The incompetence and the authoritarian tendencies of this christo-fascist bunch should be fully clear by now, even for those blind to it.
The mid-terms will be a watershed moment...
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
Unknown parent • • •@CStamp @Huntn00 @gedvondur
Huntn00:
all there is in this world is the good fight. whether being led to concentration camps or voting in free and fair elections or anything in between
there is no meaning in lamenting the bullshit in front of us
there's only smiling at it and engaging
Carolyn
Unknown parent • • •Huntn00
Unknown parent • • •Carolyn
Unknown parent • • •Huntn00
Unknown parent • • •Menno
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •Don't know how US media treated it, but here it was pretty big.
With the comment of course that it undermines trust....
The US doesn't really produce bananas, so banana republic doesn't really fit, but y'all are well underway.
*Edited for autocorrupt mishap.
Menno
in reply to Menno • • •This article was most viewed yesterday, on the Dutch news site nu.nl
Trump ontslaat hoofd statistiekbureau en zegt dat cijfers 'gemanipuleerd' zijn https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/6364451/trump-ontslaat-hoofd-statistiekbureau-en-zegt-dat-cijfers-gemanipuleerd-zijn.html
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www.nu.nlBen Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to Menno • • •of all the bullshit, this firing of the head of the labor statistics bureau could be the one that breaks the camel's back
in terms of business reputation
and without that...
Menno
in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 • • •By now that camel is carrying a whole extra bale of hay and no real sign of it actually breaking.